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		By: salim		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is what is said implicitly by every&lt;br&gt;capitalist, every industrialist, every business owner, every&lt;br&gt;employer who demands the labor power of the workers they&lt;br&gt;hire.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Look, my workers, I have some capital which by itself&lt;br&gt;cannot produce anything, because a dead thing cannot produce&lt;br&gt;anything. I have nothing productive without labor. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;As it goes, I cannot benefit from consuming it&lt;br&gt;unproductively, since having consumed it, I would be left&lt;br&gt;with nothing. But thanks to the social and political&lt;br&gt;institutions which rule over us and are all in my favor, in&lt;br&gt;the existing economy my capital is supposed to be a producer&lt;br&gt;as well:&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; it earns me interest. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;From whom this interest must be taken - and it must be&lt;br&gt;from someone, since in reality by itself it produces&lt;br&gt;absolutely nothing - this does not concern you. It is enough&lt;br&gt;for you to know that it renders interest. Alone this&lt;br&gt;interest is insufficient to cover my expenses. I am not an&lt;br&gt;ordinary man as you. I cannot be, nor do I want to be,&lt;br&gt;content with little. I want to live, to inhabit a beautiful&lt;br&gt;house, to eat and drink well, to ride in a carriage, to&lt;br&gt;maintain a good appearance, in short, to have all the good&lt;br&gt;things in life. I also want to give a good education to my&lt;br&gt;children, to make them into gentlemen, and send them away to&lt;br&gt;study, and afterwards, having become much more educated than&lt;br&gt;you, they can dominate you one day as I dominate you today.&lt;br&gt;And as education alone is not enough, I want to give them a&lt;br&gt;grand inheritance, so that divided between them they will be&lt;br&gt;left almost as rich as I. Consequently, besides all the good&lt;br&gt;things in life I want to give myself, I also want to&lt;br&gt;increase my capital. How will I achieve this goal? Armed&lt;br&gt;with this capital I propose to exploit you, and I propose&lt;br&gt;that you permit me to exploit you. You will work and I will&lt;br&gt;collect and appropriate and sell for my own behalf the&lt;br&gt;product of your labor, without giving you more than a&lt;br&gt;portion which is absolutely necessary to keep you from dying&lt;br&gt;of hunger today, so that at the end of tomorrow you will&lt;br&gt;still work for me in the same conditions; and when you have&lt;br&gt;been exhausted, I will throw you out, and replace you with&lt;br&gt;others. Know it well, I will pay you a salary as small, and&lt;br&gt;impose on you a working day as long, working conditions as&lt;br&gt;severe, as despotic, as harsh as possible; not from&lt;br&gt;wickedness - not from a motive of hatred towards you, nor an&lt;br&gt;intent to do you harm - but from the love of wealth and to&lt;br&gt;get rich quick; because the less I pay you and the more you&lt;br&gt;work, the more I will gain.&quot; &lt;br&gt;     &lt;br&gt;This is what is said implicitly&lt;br&gt;by every capitalist, every industrialist, every business&lt;br&gt;owner, every employer who demands the labor power of the&lt;br&gt;workers they hire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what is said implicitly by every<br />capitalist, every industrialist, every business owner, every<br />employer who demands the labor power of the workers they<br />hire.</p>
<p>Look, my workers, I have some capital which by itself<br />cannot produce anything, because a dead thing cannot produce<br />anything. I have nothing productive without labor. </p>
<p>As it goes, I cannot benefit from consuming it<br />unproductively, since having consumed it, I would be left<br />with nothing. But thanks to the social and political<br />institutions which rule over us and are all in my favor, in<br />the existing economy my capital is supposed to be a producer<br />as well:</p>
<p> it earns me interest. </p>
<p>From whom this interest must be taken &#8211; and it must be<br />from someone, since in reality by itself it produces<br />absolutely nothing &#8211; this does not concern you. It is enough<br />for you to know that it renders interest. Alone this<br />interest is insufficient to cover my expenses. I am not an<br />ordinary man as you. I cannot be, nor do I want to be,<br />content with little. I want to live, to inhabit a beautiful<br />house, to eat and drink well, to ride in a carriage, to<br />maintain a good appearance, in short, to have all the good<br />things in life. I also want to give a good education to my<br />children, to make them into gentlemen, and send them away to<br />study, and afterwards, having become much more educated than<br />you, they can dominate you one day as I dominate you today.<br />And as education alone is not enough, I want to give them a<br />grand inheritance, so that divided between them they will be<br />left almost as rich as I. Consequently, besides all the good<br />things in life I want to give myself, I also want to<br />increase my capital. How will I achieve this goal? Armed<br />with this capital I propose to exploit you, and I propose<br />that you permit me to exploit you. You will work and I will<br />collect and appropriate and sell for my own behalf the<br />product of your labor, without giving you more than a<br />portion which is absolutely necessary to keep you from dying<br />of hunger today, so that at the end of tomorrow you will<br />still work for me in the same conditions; and when you have<br />been exhausted, I will throw you out, and replace you with<br />others. Know it well, I will pay you a salary as small, and<br />impose on you a working day as long, working conditions as<br />severe, as despotic, as harsh as possible; not from<br />wickedness &#8211; not from a motive of hatred towards you, nor an<br />intent to do you harm &#8211; but from the love of wealth and to<br />get rich quick; because the less I pay you and the more you<br />work, the more I will gain.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is what is said implicitly<br />by every capitalist, every industrialist, every business<br />owner, every employer who demands the labor power of the<br />workers they hire.</p>
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		By: Dawud Israel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawud Israel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe Allah (swt) put those people on earth and took them back in the times that they were here so they wouldn&#039;t have to put up with people/haters like us. Just my thoughts on this matter. Sorry for the rant.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with that and contemplate this often.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe Allah (swt) put those people on earth and took them back in the times that they were here so they wouldn&#39;t have to put up with people/haters like us. Just my thoughts on this matter. Sorry for the rant.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with that and contemplate this often.</p>
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		By: omar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[omar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sallamu Alakum,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mashallah, thank you for bringing our attention to another great post brother Suhaib.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Omar &lt;br&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rawwealth.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rawwealth.com&lt;/a&gt;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sallamu Alakum,</p>
<p>Mashallah, thank you for bringing our attention to another great post brother Suhaib.</p>
<p>Omar <br />(<a href="http://www.rawwealth.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawwealth.com</a>)</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdullah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No matter what leader steps up to the stage in this day and age there will always be many to knock him/her down. If Malcolm (r) was around now - no doubt the people praising him now would have been criticising him either calling him a salafi, sufi, or bidati, or whatever is the flavour of the month. You only appreciate something or someone when it is taken away from you. I think with the number of people in the deen increasing all the time you get different ideologies creeping in, and this causes major problems (the ideologies and not the people) - a clear example of this is the Caliphate of Uthman ibn Affan (ra).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personal thoughts on this are, there are many leaders out there or people in the background doing some amazing work. Unfortunately they do not get our backing because we have &quot;issues&quot; with them. I just think we all get deluded thinking if Malcom (r) was around today then ...... and if so and so was around today then...... It just doesn&#039;t work like that. Maybe Allah (swt) put those people on earth and took them back in the times that they were here so they wouldn&#039;t have to put up with people/haters like us. Just my thoughts on this matter. Sorry for the rant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what leader steps up to the stage in this day and age there will always be many to knock him/her down. If Malcolm (r) was around now &#8211; no doubt the people praising him now would have been criticising him either calling him a salafi, sufi, or bidati, or whatever is the flavour of the month. You only appreciate something or someone when it is taken away from you. I think with the number of people in the deen increasing all the time you get different ideologies creeping in, and this causes major problems (the ideologies and not the people) &#8211; a clear example of this is the Caliphate of Uthman ibn Affan (ra).</p>
<p>Personal thoughts on this are, there are many leaders out there or people in the background doing some amazing work. Unfortunately they do not get our backing because we have &#8220;issues&#8221; with them. I just think we all get deluded thinking if Malcom (r) was around today then &#8230;&#8230; and if so and so was around today then&#8230;&#8230; It just doesn&#39;t work like that. Maybe Allah (swt) put those people on earth and took them back in the times that they were here so they wouldn&#39;t have to put up with people/haters like us. Just my thoughts on this matter. Sorry for the rant.</p>
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		By: Dawud Israel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The flip side is the immigrants, especially the practicing ones, put up with these convert brothers who have been Muslim for a few weeks and acting like Shaykhul Islam. This is profoundly annoying and a major obstacle- at times, I wonder if the &quot;immigrant&quot; Muslim idea is nothing but hatred disguised? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can see why immigrant Muslim movements like Tableehgi Jamaat are always running after young brothers to join them and carry it. I don&#039;t think they want it to be a &quot;desi&quot; jamaat, they want it to be an effective jamaat...and perhaps, more converts could lay the ground for that?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What is REALLY needed for both converts and immigrants, is a curriculum of learning Islam- one that is ordered and detailed, so that both can come to common ground. Haphazard learning of islam, via random lectures might seem good, but it also creates that disconnect. That is probably why Malcolm X (rahimullah) and Co. were so successful, because they taught their followers systematically, everyone was on the same page and everybody can move forward together. Additionally, their message was focused and less varied then that of our communities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flip side is the immigrants, especially the practicing ones, put up with these convert brothers who have been Muslim for a few weeks and acting like Shaykhul Islam. This is profoundly annoying and a major obstacle- at times, I wonder if the &#8220;immigrant&#8221; Muslim idea is nothing but hatred disguised? </p>
<p>I can see why immigrant Muslim movements like Tableehgi Jamaat are always running after young brothers to join them and carry it. I don&#39;t think they want it to be a &#8220;desi&#8221; jamaat, they want it to be an effective jamaat&#8230;and perhaps, more converts could lay the ground for that?  </p>
<p>What is REALLY needed for both converts and immigrants, is a curriculum of learning Islam- one that is ordered and detailed, so that both can come to common ground. Haphazard learning of islam, via random lectures might seem good, but it also creates that disconnect. That is probably why Malcolm X (rahimullah) and Co. were so successful, because they taught their followers systematically, everyone was on the same page and everybody can move forward together. Additionally, their message was focused and less varied then that of our communities.</p>
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