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		By: Sabina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Assalam alaikum wr wb, brothers and sisters.

&quot;Successful communication strengthens the family bond and makes it less likely that issues will spill over into physical abuse.&quot;

This sentence is singularly ill-advised. It makes it seem that negative communication somehow leads to physical abuse, or that physical abuse is warranted when negative communication patterns persist.

Only the most despicable of people beat their spouses. This is the command of Allah (SWT), as evidenced by the impeccable character of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

Wassalam and Jazakhallah khair katheeran,
Sabina.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam alaikum wr wb, brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>&#8220;Successful communication strengthens the family bond and makes it less likely that issues will spill over into physical abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sentence is singularly ill-advised. It makes it seem that negative communication somehow leads to physical abuse, or that physical abuse is warranted when negative communication patterns persist.</p>
<p>Only the most despicable of people beat their spouses. This is the command of Allah (SWT), as evidenced by the impeccable character of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).</p>
<p>Wassalam and Jazakhallah khair katheeran,<br />
Sabina.</p>
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		By: Omar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jazakallah khairan katheera. This is invaluable. Only Allah can reward for such a fine work. May Allah reward every soul who is directly or indirectly involved in the production of this article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazakallah khairan katheera. This is invaluable. Only Allah can reward for such a fine work. May Allah reward every soul who is directly or indirectly involved in the production of this article.</p>
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		By: How You Say It Matters! &#187; Suhaib Webb - audio, discussions, translations and musings		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 11:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] by Amal Killawi &#124; Check out the previous article in this series: What Did You Say, Honey? [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] by Amal Killawi | Check out the previous article in this series: What Did You Say, Honey? [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: aysha s		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very helpful article indeed... And it&#039;s so easy to talk in this way without realising it! So it was great to have this reminder.... jazakAllah!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very helpful article indeed&#8230; And it&#8217;s so easy to talk in this way without realising it! So it was great to have this reminder&#8230;. jazakAllah!</p>
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		By: fadlin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jazakala kheirin:)
for this usefull knowledge
i even got a copy with me because the hardest part
is to really try to stick and pratice what u have learned
barakallahu fek...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jazakala kheirin:)<br />
for this usefull knowledge<br />
i even got a copy with me because the hardest part<br />
is to really try to stick and pratice what u have learned<br />
barakallahu fek&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ali		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/personaldvlpt/what-did-you-say-honey/#comment-11885&quot;&gt;tauseef&lt;/a&gt;.

I was not familiar with this translation of the word &quot;beat&quot; into &quot;separate&quot;. It is altogether new to me. Most translations have the word &quot;beat&quot; or &quot;admonish&quot; or &quot;scourge&quot;. I concede that is progress that the beating of women is being removed from the newer translations of the Qur&#039;an.

With regard to the historical context, as-Shafi states that &quot;hitting is permitted, but not hitting is preferred&quot;. al-Razi in his Tafsir Al-Kabir states that the verse was revealed after a woman complained of being beaten by her husband, and after this verse had been revealed, the Prophet said that &#039;We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.&#039; (Narrated by Hasan al-Basri)

Sahih Muslim Book 9 #3506: Jabir b. &#039;Abdullah reported: Abu Bakr came and sought permission to see Allah&#039;s Messenger. He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came &#039;Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah&#039;s Apostle sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat &#039;Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when she asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah&#039;s Messenger laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr then got up went to &#039;Aisha and slapped her on the neck, and &#039;Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah&#039;s Messenger which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah&#039;s Messenger for anything he does not possess….

[The hadith goes on about divorcing wives].

Now clearly there is theological debate about this. Historically beatings have happened, and have been done by the Sahabah. And not just any, but Abu Bakr and Umar, hit their daughters, the Mothers of the Faithful, and in the very presence of the Prophet. And about money?

It bothers me to the very core that it is acceptable on some level to beat women. I just cannot conceive of any reason where it would be acceptable for men to beat women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/personaldvlpt/what-did-you-say-honey/#comment-11885">tauseef</a>.</p>
<p>I was not familiar with this translation of the word &#8220;beat&#8221; into &#8220;separate&#8221;. It is altogether new to me. Most translations have the word &#8220;beat&#8221; or &#8220;admonish&#8221; or &#8220;scourge&#8221;. I concede that is progress that the beating of women is being removed from the newer translations of the Qur&#8217;an.</p>
<p>With regard to the historical context, as-Shafi states that &#8220;hitting is permitted, but not hitting is preferred&#8221;. al-Razi in his Tafsir Al-Kabir states that the verse was revealed after a woman complained of being beaten by her husband, and after this verse had been revealed, the Prophet said that &#8216;We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.&#8217; (Narrated by Hasan al-Basri)</p>
<p>Sahih Muslim Book 9 #3506: Jabir b. &#8216;Abdullah reported: Abu Bakr came and sought permission to see Allah&#8217;s Messenger. He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came &#8216;Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah&#8217;s Apostle sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat &#8216;Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when she asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah&#8217;s Messenger laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr then got up went to &#8216;Aisha and slapped her on the neck, and &#8216;Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah&#8217;s Messenger which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah&#8217;s Messenger for anything he does not possess….</p>
<p>[The hadith goes on about divorcing wives].</p>
<p>Now clearly there is theological debate about this. Historically beatings have happened, and have been done by the Sahabah. And not just any, but Abu Bakr and Umar, hit their daughters, the Mothers of the Faithful, and in the very presence of the Prophet. And about money?</p>
<p>It bothers me to the very core that it is acceptable on some level to beat women. I just cannot conceive of any reason where it would be acceptable for men to beat women.</p>
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		By: tauseef		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice try, Ali.
The verse in question is only one of many in the Qur&#039;an, and when Allah states that there is no contradiction in the Qur&#039;an, then we must bear in mind this maxim when studying, translating, and contextualizing, which I sincerely hope you have the opportunity to do.
The word that is translated to &#039;beat&#039; also means  &#039; to separate&#039;, and there are recent translations that are instituting this latter translation, as it is more in line with the overall message of the Qur&#039;an. This may seem like a bit of reverse engineering to the faithless, but if the Qur&#039;an has no contradiction, then this verse must match up with the others that advise reasoning, mercy and kindness. If Allah wanted us to beat our wives, He would have sent His apostle with rules and examples to follow( never happened), and wife beating would have been a subject of theological debate. Conversely, there are examples of the Prophet (SAW) separating from His wives after minor incidents, referred to in Sura 66.
However, upon reading His message, one becomes increasingly aware of the magnitude of the sin of arrogance -007.036
(YUSUFALI translation): But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).  no man with a drop of arrogance in his heart will enter paradise.
This is repeated in 7:40, 7.133 , 17.4 , 23.067, 27.14, 31.7 . So, arrogance is a great sin, and the husband is tasked with the responsibility of persuading his wife not to follow in that direction. Logically, one would assume that the Creator, in His insistence to condemn arrogance, would prescribe its opposite: humility.11:23
(YUSUFALI translation): But those who believe and work righteousness, and humble themselves before their Lord,- They will be companions of the gardens, to dwell therein for aye!
Since there is no contradiction in the Qur&#039;an, and instructs mankind to follow reason, it is perfectly logical that, in seeking humility, and shunning arrogance, separation and contemplation would be recommended, and violence and domination would not.
Allah most definitely knows best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, Ali.<br />
The verse in question is only one of many in the Qur&#8217;an, and when Allah states that there is no contradiction in the Qur&#8217;an, then we must bear in mind this maxim when studying, translating, and contextualizing, which I sincerely hope you have the opportunity to do.<br />
The word that is translated to &#8216;beat&#8217; also means  &#8216; to separate&#8217;, and there are recent translations that are instituting this latter translation, as it is more in line with the overall message of the Qur&#8217;an. This may seem like a bit of reverse engineering to the faithless, but if the Qur&#8217;an has no contradiction, then this verse must match up with the others that advise reasoning, mercy and kindness. If Allah wanted us to beat our wives, He would have sent His apostle with rules and examples to follow( never happened), and wife beating would have been a subject of theological debate. Conversely, there are examples of the Prophet (SAW) separating from His wives after minor incidents, referred to in Sura 66.<br />
However, upon reading His message, one becomes increasingly aware of the magnitude of the sin of arrogance -007.036<br />
(YUSUFALI translation): But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).  no man with a drop of arrogance in his heart will enter paradise.<br />
This is repeated in 7:40, 7.133 , 17.4 , 23.067, 27.14, 31.7 . So, arrogance is a great sin, and the husband is tasked with the responsibility of persuading his wife not to follow in that direction. Logically, one would assume that the Creator, in His insistence to condemn arrogance, would prescribe its opposite: humility.11:23<br />
(YUSUFALI translation): But those who believe and work righteousness, and humble themselves before their Lord,- They will be companions of the gardens, to dwell therein for aye!<br />
Since there is no contradiction in the Qur&#8217;an, and instructs mankind to follow reason, it is perfectly logical that, in seeking humility, and shunning arrogance, separation and contemplation would be recommended, and violence and domination would not.<br />
Allah most definitely knows best.</p>
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		By: Marya		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/personaldvlpt/what-did-you-say-honey/#comment-11877&quot;&gt;Laila&lt;/a&gt;.

wa `alaykum assalam,

jazaki Allahu khayran, fixed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/personaldvlpt/what-did-you-say-honey/#comment-11877">Laila</a>.</p>
<p>wa `alaykum assalam,</p>
<p>jazaki Allahu khayran, fixed.</p>
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		By: Ali		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband&#039;s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. (4:34)

How indeed do you square this verse with the others? You could provide some tedious rhetorical response, but that would not change the fact that this very verse is the justification of the abuse of women in most of the Muslim world.
Men are in charge of women? How offensive! How very easily it instills the idea that because you pay for them, you are superior to them, because God has made it that way? How disgraceful!

If we are to assume that a text from more than 14 centuries ago is infallible, then we must address these horrific ideas as well. Our moral sensibilities should never allow us to ever denigrate women as second class, slaves to the whims of men, and it should NEVER be acceptable for men to beat women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband&#8217;s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance &#8211; [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. (4:34)</p>
<p>How indeed do you square this verse with the others? You could provide some tedious rhetorical response, but that would not change the fact that this very verse is the justification of the abuse of women in most of the Muslim world.<br />
Men are in charge of women? How offensive! How very easily it instills the idea that because you pay for them, you are superior to them, because God has made it that way? How disgraceful!</p>
<p>If we are to assume that a text from more than 14 centuries ago is infallible, then we must address these horrific ideas as well. Our moral sensibilities should never allow us to ever denigrate women as second class, slaves to the whims of men, and it should NEVER be acceptable for men to beat women.</p>
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		By: Aizat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Masahallah! This is just the reminder i needed.
Jazzakaum Allah Khayran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masahallah! This is just the reminder i needed.<br />
Jazzakaum Allah Khayran.</p>
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