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		By: SohaibS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I was reading the initial quotation, it was the following Qur&#039;anic passage that came to mind:
http://quran.com/14/24-27]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was reading the initial quotation, it was the following Qur&#8217;anic passage that came to mind:<br />
<a href="http://quran.com/14/24-27" rel="nofollow ugc">http://quran.com/14/24-27</a></p>
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		By: Khadigah		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11673</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[p.s. I am using the top part of your post for a khatera to be delivered during a focus group on Combating Extremism. May you be rewarded for any good that comes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I am using the top part of your post for a khatera to be delivered during a focus group on Combating Extremism. May you be rewarded for any good that comes.</p>
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		By: pedagogy of the oppressed - StartTags.com		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11672</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pedagogy of the oppressed - StartTags.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] as a falsehood and argues for the pedagogy of the oppressed, claims church to be prophetic. ...Naming the World Suhaib Webb - audio, discussions ...Paulo Freire wrote in Pedagogy of the Oppressed: As we attempt to analyze dialogue as a human [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] as a falsehood and argues for the pedagogy of the oppressed, claims church to be prophetic. &#8230;Naming the World Suhaib Webb &#8211; audio, discussions &#8230;Paulo Freire wrote in Pedagogy of the Oppressed: As we attempt to analyze dialogue as a human [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Khadigah		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11671</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On verbalism- heck yeah, this is one of our diseases. I it is unrealistic to expect every word which comes out of our mouths to be a &quot;true word&quot; but the Religious Establishment (Muslim one) in the US is VERY comfortable in engaging in verbalism only. One of the reasons MAS is attractive to ppl who discover this nature of &quot;verbalism&quot; is b/c many of the ppl involved (at least who I know) recognize this bad habit and try and steer away from it.

The practice of activsim alone is less common in MAS. I see it more w/other Muslim groups and nonMuslim organizations that are formulaic in their approach to work (signature projects).

If I had to make an SAT question out of this, I&#039;d say Intellects:Verbalism what Do&#039;ers:Activism.

The reason your blog post was impactful for me is b/c I am sick and tired of dealing w/the religious establishment when it is domoniated by verbalists. They take way too long to make any impactful and positive changes. On the flip side, I am sick of dealing with young activists who don&#039;t want to think or reflect on the work they are doing. We are so affected by &quot;what appears&quot; and what people will say that we forget the deeply rooted reasons on why we are trying to do anything in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On verbalism- heck yeah, this is one of our diseases. I it is unrealistic to expect every word which comes out of our mouths to be a &#8220;true word&#8221; but the Religious Establishment (Muslim one) in the US is VERY comfortable in engaging in verbalism only. One of the reasons MAS is attractive to ppl who discover this nature of &#8220;verbalism&#8221; is b/c many of the ppl involved (at least who I know) recognize this bad habit and try and steer away from it.</p>
<p>The practice of activsim alone is less common in MAS. I see it more w/other Muslim groups and nonMuslim organizations that are formulaic in their approach to work (signature projects).</p>
<p>If I had to make an SAT question out of this, I&#8217;d say Intellects:Verbalism what Do&#8217;ers:Activism.</p>
<p>The reason your blog post was impactful for me is b/c I am sick and tired of dealing w/the religious establishment when it is domoniated by verbalists. They take way too long to make any impactful and positive changes. On the flip side, I am sick of dealing with young activists who don&#8217;t want to think or reflect on the work they are doing. We are so affected by &#8220;what appears&#8221; and what people will say that we forget the deeply rooted reasons on why we are trying to do anything in the first place.</p>
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		By: shakib		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11670</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am glad that Freire&#039;s &quot;Pedagogy of the oppressed&quot; was followed with &quot;A pedagogy of hope&quot; (1996). In that book he provides a clearer view of the difficulty explaining the &quot;silence&quot; he encountered in the classrooms. Freire told us that no education is liberating enough, no democracy, free of oppression when they impose the educator&#039;s world-view on that of the students. Because no word is apolitical. The socially responsible teacher should make the student aware of his or her self, gradually withdrawing the didactic role of the teacher/adult/researcher from the milieu of any education. Easier said than done. Bakhtin (1930) uses the notion of &quot;heteroglossia&quot; (competing multiple voices) to explain how the centrifugal force of the dominant culture and a centripetal force of the subaltern works on the &quot;word&quot; to either elevate or &quot;denouce&quot; the meaning. In that sense, it is almost impossible to be the benevolent orator who only speaks the &quot;truth&quot;, as Freire would have it, because here the truth is a constructed reality made conscious for the student, not apriori knowledge which transforms the one who experiences it through sensible actions, an Avicenian (d. 1037) form of pre-cognition.

Aristotle in his Nichomenian ethics puts knowledge of the supreme Good, (cognitively derived) or truth as a good enough reason to call for action. The western narrative, according to Hentsch(2004) a canadian political scientist, in the last three millenniums has been of a gradual march to modernity, supplanting the ultimate truth (God) with its own reincarnated truth (secularism, hedonism, myths of salvation). Postmodernism although provides a lot of resolutions to deconstruct modernity, none of it actually goes beyond it. Using the tropes of other ways of knowing, the postmodernist hopes to break the way knowledge has been  produced and dissipated as a tool of oppression. The discursive practices of the teacher, Freire believed, are embedded within the cultural codes of oppression, traits of our historical relationship with each other, where the text is just one pattern of communication that aims to vanquish repeatation. Nothing can thus be said twice without altering the original meaning somewhat. Since there are no theories of language possible that accurately tells us exactly how we store, process, understand and translate meaning; there cannot be any useful praxis of unoppressive education.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that Freire&#8217;s &#8220;Pedagogy of the oppressed&#8221; was followed with &#8220;A pedagogy of hope&#8221; (1996). In that book he provides a clearer view of the difficulty explaining the &#8220;silence&#8221; he encountered in the classrooms. Freire told us that no education is liberating enough, no democracy, free of oppression when they impose the educator&#8217;s world-view on that of the students. Because no word is apolitical. The socially responsible teacher should make the student aware of his or her self, gradually withdrawing the didactic role of the teacher/adult/researcher from the milieu of any education. Easier said than done. Bakhtin (1930) uses the notion of &#8220;heteroglossia&#8221; (competing multiple voices) to explain how the centrifugal force of the dominant culture and a centripetal force of the subaltern works on the &#8220;word&#8221; to either elevate or &#8220;denouce&#8221; the meaning. In that sense, it is almost impossible to be the benevolent orator who only speaks the &#8220;truth&#8221;, as Freire would have it, because here the truth is a constructed reality made conscious for the student, not apriori knowledge which transforms the one who experiences it through sensible actions, an Avicenian (d. 1037) form of pre-cognition.</p>
<p>Aristotle in his Nichomenian ethics puts knowledge of the supreme Good, (cognitively derived) or truth as a good enough reason to call for action. The western narrative, according to Hentsch(2004) a canadian political scientist, in the last three millenniums has been of a gradual march to modernity, supplanting the ultimate truth (God) with its own reincarnated truth (secularism, hedonism, myths of salvation). Postmodernism although provides a lot of resolutions to deconstruct modernity, none of it actually goes beyond it. Using the tropes of other ways of knowing, the postmodernist hopes to break the way knowledge has been  produced and dissipated as a tool of oppression. The discursive practices of the teacher, Freire believed, are embedded within the cultural codes of oppression, traits of our historical relationship with each other, where the text is just one pattern of communication that aims to vanquish repeatation. Nothing can thus be said twice without altering the original meaning somewhat. Since there are no theories of language possible that accurately tells us exactly how we store, process, understand and translate meaning; there cannot be any useful praxis of unoppressive education.</p>
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		By: Justin Ducote		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11669</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[al-salam `alaykum

Just a quick observation - the second-to-last cited verse ( 2:30 ) in the article does not match the translation provided - probably just a typo to be sure.  you can delete this comment anytime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al-salam `alaykum</p>
<p>Just a quick observation &#8211; the second-to-last cited verse ( 2:30 ) in the article does not match the translation provided &#8211; probably just a typo to be sure.  you can delete this comment anytime.</p>
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		By: mike		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[well. Point 1. Allah(swt) doesn&#039;t answer the question. He answers in oblique way instead of directly answering the question.
Point 2. Though Allah(swt) state again and again for salat and belief in Allah and his messenger. There is a surah towards the end of the quran where Allah(swt) talks about creating the Universe and human beings and expressly saying humans and the universe was NOT created as an amusement; but for a purpose. Allah(swt) says He swears by moon and the stars and that it is very high degree of oath that Allah(swt) does not need to take,
Point 3. Allah(swt) also states he does not need our prayers or our good deeds, sacrifices etc. Allah(swt) is independent and complete and all powerful.

So in conclusion;  Our prayers may please Allah(swt) but they our not needed for Him.
Then Allah does not answer the question about human destructive capabilities; instead answers by saying the angels do not know what Allah(swt).  Angels know that; that why they asked him. Allah(swt) for whatever reason did not want to answer this question head on. Then Allah(swt) takes huge oath in the Quran that we were not created for naught. So there is another purpose which we will find on the other side; innshallah in jannah. May Allah bless us and take mercy on us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well. Point 1. Allah(swt) doesn&#8217;t answer the question. He answers in oblique way instead of directly answering the question.<br />
Point 2. Though Allah(swt) state again and again for salat and belief in Allah and his messenger. There is a surah towards the end of the quran where Allah(swt) talks about creating the Universe and human beings and expressly saying humans and the universe was NOT created as an amusement; but for a purpose. Allah(swt) says He swears by moon and the stars and that it is very high degree of oath that Allah(swt) does not need to take,<br />
Point 3. Allah(swt) also states he does not need our prayers or our good deeds, sacrifices etc. Allah(swt) is independent and complete and all powerful.</p>
<p>So in conclusion;  Our prayers may please Allah(swt) but they our not needed for Him.<br />
Then Allah does not answer the question about human destructive capabilities; instead answers by saying the angels do not know what Allah(swt).  Angels know that; that why they asked him. Allah(swt) for whatever reason did not want to answer this question head on. Then Allah(swt) takes huge oath in the Quran that we were not created for naught. So there is another purpose which we will find on the other side; innshallah in jannah. May Allah bless us and take mercy on us.</p>
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		By: Zubair Khan		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11667</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zubair Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11665&quot;&gt;mike&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The given purpose is to worship Allah but Allah alludes to something else also but I have not found any clear signs of it.&quot;

Can you please reference the &quot;something else&quot; Allah alludes to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11665">mike</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The given purpose is to worship Allah but Allah alludes to something else also but I have not found any clear signs of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you please reference the &#8220;something else&#8221; Allah alludes to?</p>
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		By: Nomad78		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11666</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11665&quot;&gt;mike&lt;/a&gt;.

Salam,
Very interesting question.
I am not sure how accurate this would be but I read in Ibn Katheer that one of the tafaseer ties this whole story to the creation of the jinn. Iblis to the Jinn was like Adam to humans but Iblis in his arrogance transgressed and deviated. The majority of the jinn became those that the angels describe (kill people, transgress....etc) so the question was for the clarification of this creation that seems to be capable of doing these things just like the jinn did. Allah swt here answers them by saying I know what you don&#039;t know meaning that from this creation there will be prophets and momineen that worship Allah truly and will earn his paradise.
Walllahu Alam, Allah knows best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/society/naming-the-world/#comment-11665">mike</a>.</p>
<p>Salam,<br />
Very interesting question.<br />
I am not sure how accurate this would be but I read in Ibn Katheer that one of the tafaseer ties this whole story to the creation of the jinn. Iblis to the Jinn was like Adam to humans but Iblis in his arrogance transgressed and deviated. The majority of the jinn became those that the angels describe (kill people, transgress&#8230;.etc) so the question was for the clarification of this creation that seems to be capable of doing these things just like the jinn did. Allah swt here answers them by saying I know what you don&#8217;t know meaning that from this creation there will be prophets and momineen that worship Allah truly and will earn his paradise.<br />
Walllahu Alam, Allah knows best.</p>
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		By: mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have question in regards to this passage...
The angels did bow but then asked why humans... human will cause destruction and chaos. Allah(swt) did not answer the question directly; instead went through this routine to show the Angels; that Allah(swt) knows all but kind skipped the question of why us human beings? Onwards in the rest of Quran; Allah(swt) says the He did not create us for naught, enjoyment or meaningless purpose... The given purpose is to worship Allah but Allah alludes to something else also but I have not found any clear signs of it. But then I am not a scholar... Have you pondered on this Br. Suhaib or anyone else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have question in regards to this passage&#8230;<br />
The angels did bow but then asked why humans&#8230; human will cause destruction and chaos. Allah(swt) did not answer the question directly; instead went through this routine to show the Angels; that Allah(swt) knows all but kind skipped the question of why us human beings? Onwards in the rest of Quran; Allah(swt) says the He did not create us for naught, enjoyment or meaningless purpose&#8230; The given purpose is to worship Allah but Allah alludes to something else also but I have not found any clear signs of it. But then I am not a scholar&#8230; Have you pondered on this Br. Suhaib or anyone else?</p>
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