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		By: Addressing The Diminishing Role of Leadership: The Mosque and Imam by Yusuf Rios (Abul Hussein) &#124; masjidnetwork.net		</title>
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		By: Muttaqi Ismail		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899&quot;&gt;O.I.&lt;/a&gt;.

Though rather lengthy, this is one of the most insightful remarks I&#039;ve ever read regarding the state of the American Masjid. You have hit on several points and brought out some very significant issues.

As a part-time/traveling/assistant Imam myself, I understand much of what you&#039;re saying. It is very difficult for a truly dynamic person to make any changes in most communities because of entrenchment from the board or old-school ways that don&#039;t want to die.

Also, sadly, many Imams simply do not have enough Islamic education to be an Imam. Sometimes they&#039;re just the one who was chosen to be the Imam.

And as far as the grass-roots AA Imams from the inner city, I&#039;m personally glad that&#039;s fading out. That form of leadership led to the &quot;all powerful&quot; Imam who was prone to abuse his authority and do whatever was necessary to consolidate power.

May Allah bless us with more and better leaders, Ameen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899">O.I.</a>.</p>
<p>Though rather lengthy, this is one of the most insightful remarks I&#8217;ve ever read regarding the state of the American Masjid. You have hit on several points and brought out some very significant issues.</p>
<p>As a part-time/traveling/assistant Imam myself, I understand much of what you&#8217;re saying. It is very difficult for a truly dynamic person to make any changes in most communities because of entrenchment from the board or old-school ways that don&#8217;t want to die.</p>
<p>Also, sadly, many Imams simply do not have enough Islamic education to be an Imam. Sometimes they&#8217;re just the one who was chosen to be the Imam.</p>
<p>And as far as the grass-roots AA Imams from the inner city, I&#8217;m personally glad that&#8217;s fading out. That form of leadership led to the &#8220;all powerful&#8221; Imam who was prone to abuse his authority and do whatever was necessary to consolidate power.</p>
<p>May Allah bless us with more and better leaders, Ameen.</p>
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		By: O.I.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 01:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899&quot;&gt;O.I.&lt;/a&gt;.

Salam Paul Bartlett,

First, may Allah SWT keep you firm and patient with the experiences you had to endure.  

There is no doubt in my mind that unfortunately, some mosques have social ills (racism) and / or discrimination against (re)converts. It should also be noted that there is even intra-racism and intra-discrimination in the Muslim community as a whole, which goes beyond the status of being a (re)convert and religion, but purely based on the social construct of race. Yet, what we should emphasize is that although some worshippers do have slight (or large) amounts of bigotry stained on their hearts, they have no other choice but to &quot;stand shoulder to shoulder...&quot; with people they may heedlessly socially disregard – that was my point.  

I can only imagine what your experiences are as a convert, but I do bet that  you feel you are outside looking in – I get that feeling when I am in the Arab world. Depending on your community and where you are located, the inclusive process can be extremely fluid for converts (or the complete opposite, where brothers and sisters are discriminated against). At least I can testify for the Mosque I use to attend in South Central Los Angeles, brothers and sisters would give shahadah and people would rush to give them salam and comfort them. Some of the Khateebs were also converts; so depending on the context and where you are located in the U.S., many people are desensitized to convert interactions and view them no different as any other Muslim sister or brother. If I could give you advice, it is to be patient but to also express your concerns; I can assure you for every negative interaction you receive because of who you are, there are countless numbers of Muslim brothers and sisters who will listen and befriend you regardless of who you are, which should always be the case (unfortunately it isn&#039;t). InshaAllah you will feel and find ease within the Muslim community.  

As for funding of the mosques. It is true that mosques in the Muslim world are funded by the government. But what we have to realize is that compared to the first half of the 20th century in the U.S., Islam is quite established in the U.S. This means that many 2nd and 3rd generation American Muslims are attending the mosques and do not have any attachment to their parent&#039;s motherland. The issue is not funding per se, almost all mosques in the U.S. are built through donations and you can not make a clear statement that people are not funding mosques because they&#039;re not use to that practice. After fasting, giving sadaqah is a practice that is sometimes visually difficult to witness. The issue is two fold. First expectation v.s. reality. Competent builders and designers are not hired to construct mosques, thus a good portion of the funding given by sadaqah is directed to overt electric and maintenance bills instead of investing in a library, recreation room, or field trips.  Second, since there is a lack of communal programing as stated in the former issue, worshippers do not find any deeper attachment to the mosque other than a place of pure worship, devoid of social interaction. And as you have said (and in my previous post), are the Imams connecting with the majority of the worshippers in a deep social, cultural, and spiritual level?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899">O.I.</a>.</p>
<p>Salam Paul Bartlett,</p>
<p>First, may Allah SWT keep you firm and patient with the experiences you had to endure.  </p>
<p>There is no doubt in my mind that unfortunately, some mosques have social ills (racism) and / or discrimination against (re)converts. It should also be noted that there is even intra-racism and intra-discrimination in the Muslim community as a whole, which goes beyond the status of being a (re)convert and religion, but purely based on the social construct of race. Yet, what we should emphasize is that although some worshippers do have slight (or large) amounts of bigotry stained on their hearts, they have no other choice but to &#8220;stand shoulder to shoulder&#8230;&#8221; with people they may heedlessly socially disregard – that was my point.  </p>
<p>I can only imagine what your experiences are as a convert, but I do bet that  you feel you are outside looking in – I get that feeling when I am in the Arab world. Depending on your community and where you are located, the inclusive process can be extremely fluid for converts (or the complete opposite, where brothers and sisters are discriminated against). At least I can testify for the Mosque I use to attend in South Central Los Angeles, brothers and sisters would give shahadah and people would rush to give them salam and comfort them. Some of the Khateebs were also converts; so depending on the context and where you are located in the U.S., many people are desensitized to convert interactions and view them no different as any other Muslim sister or brother. If I could give you advice, it is to be patient but to also express your concerns; I can assure you for every negative interaction you receive because of who you are, there are countless numbers of Muslim brothers and sisters who will listen and befriend you regardless of who you are, which should always be the case (unfortunately it isn&#8217;t). InshaAllah you will feel and find ease within the Muslim community.  </p>
<p>As for funding of the mosques. It is true that mosques in the Muslim world are funded by the government. But what we have to realize is that compared to the first half of the 20th century in the U.S., Islam is quite established in the U.S. This means that many 2nd and 3rd generation American Muslims are attending the mosques and do not have any attachment to their parent&#8217;s motherland. The issue is not funding per se, almost all mosques in the U.S. are built through donations and you can not make a clear statement that people are not funding mosques because they&#8217;re not use to that practice. After fasting, giving sadaqah is a practice that is sometimes visually difficult to witness. The issue is two fold. First expectation v.s. reality. Competent builders and designers are not hired to construct mosques, thus a good portion of the funding given by sadaqah is directed to overt electric and maintenance bills instead of investing in a library, recreation room, or field trips.  Second, since there is a lack of communal programing as stated in the former issue, worshippers do not find any deeper attachment to the mosque other than a place of pure worship, devoid of social interaction. And as you have said (and in my previous post), are the Imams connecting with the majority of the worshippers in a deep social, cultural, and spiritual level?</p>
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		By: O.I.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 08:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899&quot;&gt;O.I.&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, Jazak Allah Khair Yusuf Rios for writing this article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/addressing-the-diminishing-role-of-leadership-the-mosque-and-imam/#comment-31899">O.I.</a>.</p>
<p>Also, Jazak Allah Khair Yusuf Rios for writing this article.</p>
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		By: O.I.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O.I.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2014 08:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These statistics are really fascinating and not only reflect the Muslim population in the United States, but it also reflects how communities are redefined in 21st century America (and subsequently, the world at large.)

A quick background on myself so you may understand the context from which I am conveying my observations. I was born and raised in the Washington D.C. metro area, lived for  6 + years in Los Angeles, and have been working as a designer between Tokyo and D.C.

One can first view the issue at an infrastructural and urban standpoint. In America, we love our (big) cars and our suburbs, which have now fully proven to be socially alienating and environmentally detrimental. Even though the U.S. has many dense cities, a good number of Americans live in suburbs or exurbs (commuter towns). For instance, in D.C., the majority of people who work in DC actually live in Maryland or Virginia, thus millions of people flock to D.C. during the day time, and millions are then stuck on the free/highway upon their return to their cookie cutter homes and white picket fences. So if we take that scenario as an example, the majority of the people attending the mosque on Friday prayers do not feel bound to that mosque because its contextual relationship to the individual is pragmatic i.e. &quot; I work in DC, I go to a mosque near work in DC, but I live in Maryland or Virginia&quot; (or, I work in Manhattan, but I live in Jersey), thus there is this dual association between multiple mosques but neither of them are binding. This is not to say that the mosques in dense cities do not have committed worshippers who support the mosque on a constant basis; there are numbers of mosques that can be found with dedicated members and support, which will be explained in my next point. Another observation that I noticed is that mosques that were located in denser (urban) environments had a stronger sense of community within the mosque compared to mosques located in suburbs. Reason being, mosques in a dense urban context becomes extremely accessible because people can either walk or take public transportation (this is assuming you live in an urban context). If a mosque is easily accessible, a constant and consistent flow of worshippers will most likely attend the same mosque. However, mosques located in suburbs have many constraints that sometimes indirectly make attendance difficult for the worshipper, i.e. insufficient parking , ease of traffic, and/or distance of travel, thus the worshipper may only end up going to Friday, Eid, and Taraweeh prayer(s) because those constraints unfortunately get in their way of their worship and daily tasks. Yes– we do have very strong brothers and sisters out there who are willing to drive miles any time of the day to reach a mosque, and may Allah (SWT) keep their heart, bodies, and mind firm in this constancy and patience. However, the majority of people who attend mosques in the suburbs are greatly affected by the former constraints, and spiritual rigor is not always the answer (even though it should be). 

Another important issue is that the actual mosque can give a false and negative impression to the worshipper. It really disheartens me first as a believer, but secondly as a designer, that many of our mosques are horribly designed and ill-maintained. This is tragically ironic because Islamic architecture was and still is a precedent for architects of many and coming generations. Yet, for some odd reason in the U.S., some mosques are not funded properly, thus their vision is not translated clearly into reality; the building sustains many design flaws leading to leaks and countless repairs; the bathrooms and ablution facilities are not designed efficiently; insufficient parking space; finally and most importnatly, there is no sense of programming of space which may lead to community interaction. Again, it must be reiterated, I have been inside some spectacular mosques in the U.S. that achieve great feats of efficiency and community involvement through design, however, I have unfortunately seen many mosques that fail in those aspects. 

Finally, who are the Imams? And more importantly, are they relating to the context, are they relating to the younger generation who will be supporting the mosque in the future? I once went inside a mosque where the Friday khutba was 15 minutes long, in Arabic, but the majority of the worshippers were from Southeast Asia. And it really broke my heart, even though I am of Arabic descent, many of the youth that I saw at that particular mosque are 3rd generation Americans who most likely do not speak their parent&#039;s language, let alone Arabic. Thus, they sit idle in the mosque without any deep connection other than the fact that they need to go to the mosque on Fridays to listen to an Imam that they do not understand and pray 2 Raka&#039;at, and this &quot;tradition&quot; will ensue until they get older and it&#039;s passed down. Therefore a tragic cycle is created where the mosque is viewed as a symbol of our worship but not as a place of learning and intrigue, of discovery, and finally, of community. Again, there are some inspiring Imams who are truly relating to the context and are reviving the hearts for many believer. Unfortunately, these Imams are either few in number, or bureaucracy does not allow them to stand in the Mihrab because the mosque board does not agree with some views.

We have the solution right in front of our eyes. Only in a mosque will you find people from all over the world sitting next one another knee to knee, and standing next to one another, from shoulder to shoulder, devoid of pride and racism; only Islam can bind hearts in such a fashion. 


These are observations. If I have said anything that is beneficial and true, it&#039;s from Allah SWT, and if I have said anything that is false, it&#039;s from my own tongue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These statistics are really fascinating and not only reflect the Muslim population in the United States, but it also reflects how communities are redefined in 21st century America (and subsequently, the world at large.)</p>
<p>A quick background on myself so you may understand the context from which I am conveying my observations. I was born and raised in the Washington D.C. metro area, lived for  6 + years in Los Angeles, and have been working as a designer between Tokyo and D.C.</p>
<p>One can first view the issue at an infrastructural and urban standpoint. In America, we love our (big) cars and our suburbs, which have now fully proven to be socially alienating and environmentally detrimental. Even though the U.S. has many dense cities, a good number of Americans live in suburbs or exurbs (commuter towns). For instance, in D.C., the majority of people who work in DC actually live in Maryland or Virginia, thus millions of people flock to D.C. during the day time, and millions are then stuck on the free/highway upon their return to their cookie cutter homes and white picket fences. So if we take that scenario as an example, the majority of the people attending the mosque on Friday prayers do not feel bound to that mosque because its contextual relationship to the individual is pragmatic i.e. &#8221; I work in DC, I go to a mosque near work in DC, but I live in Maryland or Virginia&#8221; (or, I work in Manhattan, but I live in Jersey), thus there is this dual association between multiple mosques but neither of them are binding. This is not to say that the mosques in dense cities do not have committed worshippers who support the mosque on a constant basis; there are numbers of mosques that can be found with dedicated members and support, which will be explained in my next point. Another observation that I noticed is that mosques that were located in denser (urban) environments had a stronger sense of community within the mosque compared to mosques located in suburbs. Reason being, mosques in a dense urban context becomes extremely accessible because people can either walk or take public transportation (this is assuming you live in an urban context). If a mosque is easily accessible, a constant and consistent flow of worshippers will most likely attend the same mosque. However, mosques located in suburbs have many constraints that sometimes indirectly make attendance difficult for the worshipper, i.e. insufficient parking , ease of traffic, and/or distance of travel, thus the worshipper may only end up going to Friday, Eid, and Taraweeh prayer(s) because those constraints unfortunately get in their way of their worship and daily tasks. Yes– we do have very strong brothers and sisters out there who are willing to drive miles any time of the day to reach a mosque, and may Allah (SWT) keep their heart, bodies, and mind firm in this constancy and patience. However, the majority of people who attend mosques in the suburbs are greatly affected by the former constraints, and spiritual rigor is not always the answer (even though it should be). </p>
<p>Another important issue is that the actual mosque can give a false and negative impression to the worshipper. It really disheartens me first as a believer, but secondly as a designer, that many of our mosques are horribly designed and ill-maintained. This is tragically ironic because Islamic architecture was and still is a precedent for architects of many and coming generations. Yet, for some odd reason in the U.S., some mosques are not funded properly, thus their vision is not translated clearly into reality; the building sustains many design flaws leading to leaks and countless repairs; the bathrooms and ablution facilities are not designed efficiently; insufficient parking space; finally and most importnatly, there is no sense of programming of space which may lead to community interaction. Again, it must be reiterated, I have been inside some spectacular mosques in the U.S. that achieve great feats of efficiency and community involvement through design, however, I have unfortunately seen many mosques that fail in those aspects. </p>
<p>Finally, who are the Imams? And more importantly, are they relating to the context, are they relating to the younger generation who will be supporting the mosque in the future? I once went inside a mosque where the Friday khutba was 15 minutes long, in Arabic, but the majority of the worshippers were from Southeast Asia. And it really broke my heart, even though I am of Arabic descent, many of the youth that I saw at that particular mosque are 3rd generation Americans who most likely do not speak their parent&#8217;s language, let alone Arabic. Thus, they sit idle in the mosque without any deep connection other than the fact that they need to go to the mosque on Fridays to listen to an Imam that they do not understand and pray 2 Raka&#8217;at, and this &#8220;tradition&#8221; will ensue until they get older and it&#8217;s passed down. Therefore a tragic cycle is created where the mosque is viewed as a symbol of our worship but not as a place of learning and intrigue, of discovery, and finally, of community. Again, there are some inspiring Imams who are truly relating to the context and are reviving the hearts for many believer. Unfortunately, these Imams are either few in number, or bureaucracy does not allow them to stand in the Mihrab because the mosque board does not agree with some views.</p>
<p>We have the solution right in front of our eyes. Only in a mosque will you find people from all over the world sitting next one another knee to knee, and standing next to one another, from shoulder to shoulder, devoid of pride and racism; only Islam can bind hearts in such a fashion. </p>
<p>These are observations. If I have said anything that is beneficial and true, it&#8217;s from Allah SWT, and if I have said anything that is false, it&#8217;s from my own tongue.</p>
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		By: Paul Bartlett		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Salaam alaikum. A worthwhile article which addresses the sometimes sad situation of many mosques in North America today. Probably, there are many Muslims from the &quot;old countries&quot; who think of mosques in terms of what they are familiar with. They innocently do not realize how different the situation is in this continent.

In many (not necessarily all) situations, the &quot;local mosque&quot; is the only contact many Muslims and non-Muslims alike have with the Islamic ummah, for good or for ill. In the instance of many non-Muslims who might otherwise be attracted to Islam, if their experience of the mosque is unsuitable, they might be lost to Islam altogether (but Allah swt knows best).

That was my personal experience many years ago. The mosque was 
so &quot;ethnic&quot; and so indifferent to converts that eventually I quit going and pretty much fell away from practice of Islam entirely, and I know that I am not at all alone.

We should not try to bring the patterns of the mosques in the &quot;old countries&quot; to North America. This is an entirely different situation. Allah knows, we need sound leadership in our mosques, including leaders who speak fluent English (French or Spanish, depending on locality) and who have some understanding of where westerners are coming from. It is not a matter of accepting western values which are not in accord with Islamic values, but it is a matter of *understanding* those values so leaders can successfully address the issues of so many people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam alaikum. A worthwhile article which addresses the sometimes sad situation of many mosques in North America today. Probably, there are many Muslims from the &#8220;old countries&#8221; who think of mosques in terms of what they are familiar with. They innocently do not realize how different the situation is in this continent.</p>
<p>In many (not necessarily all) situations, the &#8220;local mosque&#8221; is the only contact many Muslims and non-Muslims alike have with the Islamic ummah, for good or for ill. In the instance of many non-Muslims who might otherwise be attracted to Islam, if their experience of the mosque is unsuitable, they might be lost to Islam altogether (but Allah swt knows best).</p>
<p>That was my personal experience many years ago. The mosque was<br />
so &#8220;ethnic&#8221; and so indifferent to converts that eventually I quit going and pretty much fell away from practice of Islam entirely, and I know that I am not at all alone.</p>
<p>We should not try to bring the patterns of the mosques in the &#8220;old countries&#8221; to North America. This is an entirely different situation. Allah knows, we need sound leadership in our mosques, including leaders who speak fluent English (French or Spanish, depending on locality) and who have some understanding of where westerners are coming from. It is not a matter of accepting western values which are not in accord with Islamic values, but it is a matter of *understanding* those values so leaders can successfully address the issues of so many people.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fantastic and on point analysis! May Allah reward you for bringing such an important topic to our attention.]]></description>
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