A human being can never really be sure he knows the difference between what he is and what he wants (or even, that there is a difference between the two) including the difference between whether he *is* a Muslim, or *wants* to be. All this is not because there is no absolute distinction between two things (such as belief and unbelief) but is due to the imperfect nature of human comprehension, sensing, and human inability to know everything about even a single thing in the same moment, and human inability to perfectly know just one change between two different moments (quantum physicists know this fact much more literally).

A lot of people so sure about their own faith and others’ faiths confuse between the fact that concepts have definition, and the human ability to detect whether that definition is/will be fulfilled for any one person through all time. When there is a practical reason to make a judgment call (danger of widespread error, physical danger to a state, etc.), you might need to then utilise available evidence to decide about certain persons, and as we can see from historical scholarly accounts it needs to be very obvious signs, and there will always be error margins in that assessment which should always be acknowledged in all humility, because human perception cannot be perfect. For this reason, where there is NO REASON to make this judgement, it is better to refrain in case a larger error is committed, that of disowning a Muslim by mistake.

Salam

O you who have believed, fulfill [all] contracts. (5:1).

@southern sunni, if you buy a DVD or a CD and you hand over money to the teller you are actually making a sales contract that’s got nothing to do with shari’a yet you are required to maintain that contract. The purchase agreement says always no to sharing, so islamically you have to honour that contract, and NO sharing with others. It’s not just hypocrisy it also makes non-muslims think that muslims don’t honour contracts with them and are thiefs. Great dawah.

As-Salamu alaykum,

Al-Hasan al-Basri {RH} would tell people like you two, that you should search for 99 avenues to let someone off, and even if you find that one to call him a Kaafir, then it incumbent upon the person to teach him his deen, and we know this because it is the same opinion that An-Nawawi {RH} has,

If the person who you automatically are saying is a Murtad, etc, was

1) Living in a remote area,

2) Totally unaware of the issue do to his following of either a Shaykh or the Kubaraa in general, then that person cannot be declared a Kaafir, because you have know about an issue before you can be blamed, so stop being so quick to pat each other on the back, My friends, Im a tough love kinda guy, so please respect and know that the tongue is the harborer of evil at most times!

Ameen. Thanks for making your point clear.

may allah safe you and me

Its a real serious good topic, but we are overestimating the problem here. There are a small kind that practice this takfeere thought. I name those takfiris “WannabeMuslim” they just started with practising following a select group of people or a dead sheikh. Because of the fact that we cannot ask him to reply about they’re behaving. Elhamdulileh there are just a few 0,01 percent of the Muslims that start to think this way.

I am Social Pedagogical worker and work sometimes, with those youth and they only need a strong and wise and strict follower of the Quran and Sunnah man to guide them through some difficult issues within Islam.

We organise evenings in Holland with those kind of youth and discuss those issues and try our utmost best to guide them to that what is the middle path of Islam.

The problem here is not only with the youth that are little takfiri, but also with the so-called liberal free Muslim. The Challenge of us is to find a right balance between those and guide those groups to that is best. And that is the Quran and Sunnah in the understanding of our forefathers(Selaf).

Start to talk to those groups and not those that are not knowledgeable, but only those that have a greater amount of knowledge. What is necessary is to be knowledgeable about the majority of the Mathahib and the manhadj A Selaf.

I really think that those that have those takfiri thoughts most of them can be brought back with the Quran and the Sunnah.

My advise is strengthen your self with knowledge and always stay in contact with those that have some bad thoughts and try your utmost best to influence them or take them to a trustworthy learned person that can influence them.

Abu Adam, Ibrahim Dahou