This is for those who on this page are unaware, to first make it clear that just as the prayer of the Prophet is a hukm from the shari’ah of Allah, like the fasting of the month of Ramadan, and the zakat on ones wealth, etc … so is takfir a hukm from the shari’ah of Allah. Just as you are not allowed to call a muslim a kafir… You are not allowed to call a christian a muslim. Why we are not allowed to call a muslim a kafir is because it is rejecting the hukm of Allah. We are here to worship Allah and within this is the obligation to listen and obey Allah. When Allah says someone who does the deeds of the muslim without doing anything which nullifies their islam is a muslim we obey Allah and treat the person as muslim. If we don’t do that, I.e. listen to Allah and take that person as muslim it becomes kufr because we are rejecting the hukm of Allah. Rejection of the hukm Allah = kufr of the hukm of Allah. I.e. YOU become a kafir for rejecting the hukm of Allah. LIKEWISE… A… VERY… IMPORTANT…LIKEWISE… If there is a man who prays and fasts and says he is muslim but he curses the Prophet or practices magic or anything which Allah says is something which nullifies his islam and Allah says he is a kafir for that then that man is a kafir and if you don’t accept that then that is kufr which you have made kufr, rejection of the hukm of Allah. You become a kafir for rejecting the hukm of Allah. And One last thing, if anyone believes that someone can be a muslim while doing kufr at the same time for which they have no excuse for doing, then you don’t know what islam is. EXAMPLE… If I say I am muslim and pray and fast etc but say that issa is the son of Allah and you think I am still muslim then you do not know what islam is!!! There is detail to this topic so I hope to add further to what I have said so that the above is not misunderstood. Please wait for a further post inshallah. And I will make it clear inshallah.

Assalaamu alaikum my reply is to the last message posted here…
Brother Rez if according to your statements the Muslims become kuffar because they don’t pray then I am sorry to say, you are making takfir on 90-95% of the Muslims.

Even if you believe in total abondenment of the salah you can not make takfir on the Muslims as they constitute a vast percentage.

I also think that the vast majority of sunni scholars do not make takfir on Muslims who don’t pray or abondon the prayer totally…And Allah knows best

I agree with you 100%. Dont understand some schollars, who always take apolegetic stands rather than being stern.

I believe the abondonment of salah is the most undenyble act that rules one to be an outright Kaafir. You for one will be aware of the hadith ‘ difference between a muslim and a kafor and shirk is the abondanmont of salah.’ if this is accurate, then imagine the state we are all in. majority of the worlds ‘muslims’ do not perform salah at all. where do they stand?

we have to take all sahih hadeeth and Quran in context to form a judgment. The article above implies that whoever testifies the shahadah is a muslim. This is very much agreed upon.

The real issue is the defintion of ‘major sins’ in the context of taking one out of Islam ie Kaafir.
It should be noted that we have to adhere to the aqeedah of the sahabah.

•`Abdullaah bin Shaqeeq Al-`Aqeelee Tabi`ee (Tabi`ee: a successor to the companions of the Prophet ] said: “The Companions of the Prophet did not consider the abandonment of any good deed to be disbelief except the abandonment of the Prayer.” [Tirmidhee, Haakim]

I believe anyone who does not perform the 5 times salah is an outright Kaafir. This is based on authentic knowledge.

This is where i stand. A person is rendered a kaafir when :
– neglecting of salah.
– shirk.

However, i believe that making takfir is important. we need to distinguish those who are muslim and those who are kaafir ( by the literal meaninf of these words) .

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

At a time when Muslims need set our differences aside, we must not let trivial differences create chasms within our umma. All of us are, most importantly, Muslim.

1) I agree about Louis Farakhan = They do not believe in the Hereafter, they do not believe in the Raising up from the graves, many of their issues are Kufr {This is obvious, we have known since the inception of that movement, so they cannot be used as an example ya Akhee,

2) Qadiyani’s = Any sect , no matter who, if they believe there was a Prophet and Messenger after the messengership of Rasul Allah {sAw} then they are deemed justly as Kaafirs, of course Akhee,

3) Allah says that the Deen is perfect, right in the Qur’an, and so we accept that, any addition that goes against these key elements , we agree, but the question , you Takfeer but have you ever given Dawah to them, have to their Temple, to express your feeling, the protection of the computer screen is the biggest that has come upon the Ummah, In 1969 the first e-mail was sent, now in 2009 , 80 Billion e-mails were sent, I say this bcuz if you spread that view amongst a few , than many be influenced,

4) Remember the ruling, 1) remote Area 2) Common Man dont know nothing, goes to work Akhee , goes home, watches sports center a movie, etc.
{How even though they should be studying, but they will not be responsible until those who are obsessed with the issue such as yourself, please forgive me, are You are talking, without knowing and I can tell, and I have studied the Tahawi text, the Ashari texts, the Matruidi text, the Ahadith, and the Quran, Muhammad as-Sanusi agrees with this, Imam Dardir agrees with this, so Akhee, I love you for the sake of Allah, but you must submit to them, we will not submit to that confused mentality, its real like that!