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		By: Scribblings on the Muslim Canadian Experience &#124;		</title>
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		By: Mike Allan		</title>
		<link>https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 09:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28191&quot;&gt;Zaman&lt;/a&gt;.

I think you need to clean your own lenses as it seems to me your &#039;weishfulness&#039; edited what I said as your &#039;correction&#039; is just a rehash of what I said. I talked about choosing to have homosexual sex (the sin) quite distinct from having the feelings which you label with the suffix &#039;ality&#039;
As for homosexual feelings, I guess there pretty close to homosexual feelings. I can well imagine infatuation with someone (anyone) can grow eventually to the point of having a sexual desire for them - even just &quot;pretend accidental&quot; skin/body contact.

Personally as a heterosexual, I have felt what I&#039;ve described above, but to &#039;cut it off&#039; before anything haram happens, is possible and probably will gain reward if done for the sake of Allah. It&#039;s the physical activity that is the abnormal thing. Just like Zina should be an abnormal thing.

It&#039;s a pity homosexuals try to make themselves different. Newsflash: Your just person with feelings and like everyone else you&#039;ve just got to take responsibility and not act upon them when it would be sinful to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28191">Zaman</a>.</p>
<p>I think you need to clean your own lenses as it seems to me your &#8216;weishfulness&#8217; edited what I said as your &#8216;correction&#8217; is just a rehash of what I said. I talked about choosing to have homosexual sex (the sin) quite distinct from having the feelings which you label with the suffix &#8216;ality&#8217;<br />
As for homosexual feelings, I guess there pretty close to homosexual feelings. I can well imagine infatuation with someone (anyone) can grow eventually to the point of having a sexual desire for them &#8211; even just &#8220;pretend accidental&#8221; skin/body contact.</p>
<p>Personally as a heterosexual, I have felt what I&#8217;ve described above, but to &#8216;cut it off&#8217; before anything haram happens, is possible and probably will gain reward if done for the sake of Allah. It&#8217;s the physical activity that is the abnormal thing. Just like Zina should be an abnormal thing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity homosexuals try to make themselves different. Newsflash: Your just person with feelings and like everyone else you&#8217;ve just got to take responsibility and not act upon them when it would be sinful to do so.</p>
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		By: Hyde		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hyde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 00:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28209&quot;&gt;Noor&lt;/a&gt;.

Because dear sister homexuality has been univerally condemed. In today&#039;s society all the traditions of the past are being blowerdized. It is the principal...i.e. the sin, not the sinner which proves unacceptance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28209">Noor</a>.</p>
<p>Because dear sister homexuality has been univerally condemed. In today&#8217;s society all the traditions of the past are being blowerdized. It is the principal&#8230;i.e. the sin, not the sinner which proves unacceptance.</p>
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		By: Zaman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28208&quot;&gt;Noor&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Noor. Um, I don&#039;t know have not got a clue however what I remember is yes, I was abused.  The only thing I remember is I was very strange as a child. Never belonged to any groups, hardly had friends, mostly stayed in corners, hidden in silences, always lived in fear, afraid of men, never hugged my mother, always confused. With immense help from Allah, I have tried a lot on me - still I sink down at times. You are so true - I think I need help that could empower me. Ameen to your dua&#039;s. May Allah bless you too and keep you safe, ameen. I shall look into these help centers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28208">Noor</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Noor. Um, I don&#8217;t know have not got a clue however what I remember is yes, I was abused.  The only thing I remember is I was very strange as a child. Never belonged to any groups, hardly had friends, mostly stayed in corners, hidden in silences, always lived in fear, afraid of men, never hugged my mother, always confused. With immense help from Allah, I have tried a lot on me &#8211; still I sink down at times. You are so true &#8211; I think I need help that could empower me. Ameen to your dua&#8217;s. May Allah bless you too and keep you safe, ameen. I shall look into these help centers.</p>
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		By: Zaman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28204&quot;&gt;Newmslma&lt;/a&gt;.

JazakAllahu khayr. I&#039;m so happy to know that they are people out there who understand how tough it gets. Thanks for the support, I have been searching for help centers like these however I came across a few which are country-specifics. However, I&#039;ll go through the links you shared. May Allah make this life and hereafter, easy for you and give you ajar in helping me out. ameen.]]></description>
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<p>JazakAllahu khayr. I&#8217;m so happy to know that they are people out there who understand how tough it gets. Thanks for the support, I have been searching for help centers like these however I came across a few which are country-specifics. However, I&#8217;ll go through the links you shared. May Allah make this life and hereafter, easy for you and give you ajar in helping me out. ameen.</p>
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		By: Zaman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28199&quot;&gt;Gia Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks a ton Gia Daniel. Thanks for stopping by and taking out time to put this across. mashaAllah, that was inspiring to read and gives a good read and hope. Indeed so true - &quot;not acting on them for wanting to obey Him is rewarded&quot;. How merciful He is! Ameen to your dua&#039;s.

I&#039;m not sure about how each of us feel about homosexuality however majority of our own Muslim brothers are so intolerant and abusive. I don&#039;t ask them to accept it, rather I ask them to understand how tough it gets. &quot;Feminish, not-a-man, they don&#039;t fit&quot; and what not&#039;s I read on social media from our own brothers. jazakAllahu khayr for this beautiful reminder anyways. May Allah give you success in this world and hereafter, ameen. :)]]></description>
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<p>Thanks a ton Gia Daniel. Thanks for stopping by and taking out time to put this across. mashaAllah, that was inspiring to read and gives a good read and hope. Indeed so true &#8211; &#8220;not acting on them for wanting to obey Him is rewarded&#8221;. How merciful He is! Ameen to your dua&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about how each of us feel about homosexuality however majority of our own Muslim brothers are so intolerant and abusive. I don&#8217;t ask them to accept it, rather I ask them to understand how tough it gets. &#8220;Feminish, not-a-man, they don&#8217;t fit&#8221; and what not&#8217;s I read on social media from our own brothers. jazakAllahu khayr for this beautiful reminder anyways. May Allah give you success in this world and hereafter, ameen. 🙂</p>
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		By: Noor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 20:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28142&quot;&gt;jmi&lt;/a&gt;.

Subhaan Allah, I don&#039;t have to struggle with being homosexual. That having been said, I wholly agree with &quot;jmi&quot; that the Muslim stance on this is hypocritical. As a community, we choose which sins to persecute. I personally know of women and children in my community who are abused physically by their husbands.  Some of the Muslim men drink alcohol and some gamble. Yet, they are welcome in the mosque, especially if they donate money. However, if someone is homosexual they are a pariah. This is not right. 
As &#039;jmi&quot; said, we are ALL Muslims and ALL deserving of forgiveness. Only Allah SWT knows what is in the hearts and judgement is HIS province. And Allah SWT knows best.]]></description>
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<p>Subhaan Allah, I don&#8217;t have to struggle with being homosexual. That having been said, I wholly agree with &#8220;jmi&#8221; that the Muslim stance on this is hypocritical. As a community, we choose which sins to persecute. I personally know of women and children in my community who are abused physically by their husbands.  Some of the Muslim men drink alcohol and some gamble. Yet, they are welcome in the mosque, especially if they donate money. However, if someone is homosexual they are a pariah. This is not right.<br />
As &#8216;jmi&#8221; said, we are ALL Muslims and ALL deserving of forgiveness. Only Allah SWT knows what is in the hearts and judgement is HIS province. And Allah SWT knows best.</p>
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		By: Noor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28132&quot;&gt;Zaman&lt;/a&gt;.

Ya Zaman,
Just because you were raped does not make you homosexual. Perhaps both are true- you were the victim of a rapist pedophile and you may be homosexual as well, but they are two different things.
As a child, you were not responsible for what a grown man did to you. You are innocent of that crime. Please stop blaming yourself. There is help for men and women who have been victims of rape. Please don&#039;t be afraid to reach out and you will find that there are other men who were also abused. I beg you to get help from one of these sexual violence centers so you don&#039;t have to live in pain and shame and you will find others who will become like your brothers and sisters because only they know the torture you&#039;ve been through because they have been in the same place you are. 
May Allah SWT bless you and have mercy upon us all, ameen.]]></description>
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<p>Ya Zaman,<br />
Just because you were raped does not make you homosexual. Perhaps both are true- you were the victim of a rapist pedophile and you may be homosexual as well, but they are two different things.<br />
As a child, you were not responsible for what a grown man did to you. You are innocent of that crime. Please stop blaming yourself. There is help for men and women who have been victims of rape. Please don&#8217;t be afraid to reach out and you will find that there are other men who were also abused. I beg you to get help from one of these sexual violence centers so you don&#8217;t have to live in pain and shame and you will find others who will become like your brothers and sisters because only they know the torture you&#8217;ve been through because they have been in the same place you are.<br />
May Allah SWT bless you and have mercy upon us all, ameen.</p>
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		By: brucelee786		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucelee786]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 19:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28206&quot;&gt;SK&lt;/a&gt;.

I think you have bigger issues to address than tolerating/supporting homosexuals if you are questioning Islam now. You cannot turn to Judaism or Christianity also, since they too forbid homosexuality. So what God will you turn to that tolerates and embraces homosexuality? 

Do you know the most favorite relationship to Allah is that of husband and wife. In addition, the only relation reuniting in heaven will be husband and wife. 

It will not be husband and husband or wife and wife. Abnormal is slowly becoming the norm. The more we do something, the more normal it becomes. Lets take porn for example- it is widely accepted in America. Married people watch it. It isn&#039;t cheating unless you actually do something, but watching porn is fine. 

There are also swingers in this country. That is perfectly acceptable to our society and will become the &#039;norm&#039; soon enough. Giving teens the advise to use protection is preached by so many parents, so we have accepted homosexuality and pre-marital sex and porn as a Christian nation. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/gay-muslims-the-elephants-in-the-prayer-room/#comment-28206">SK</a>.</p>
<p>I think you have bigger issues to address than tolerating/supporting homosexuals if you are questioning Islam now. You cannot turn to Judaism or Christianity also, since they too forbid homosexuality. So what God will you turn to that tolerates and embraces homosexuality? </p>
<p>Do you know the most favorite relationship to Allah is that of husband and wife. In addition, the only relation reuniting in heaven will be husband and wife. </p>
<p>It will not be husband and husband or wife and wife. Abnormal is slowly becoming the norm. The more we do something, the more normal it becomes. Lets take porn for example- it is widely accepted in America. Married people watch it. It isn&#8217;t cheating unless you actually do something, but watching porn is fine. </p>
<p>There are also swingers in this country. That is perfectly acceptable to our society and will become the &#8216;norm&#8217; soon enough. Giving teens the advise to use protection is preached by so many parents, so we have accepted homosexuality and pre-marital sex and porn as a Christian nation. </p>
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		By: SK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The lack of tolerance towards gay people is enough to make me question my faith. If this is Islam, then I am  not sure i want it.]]></description>
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