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		By: UmmSafwaan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree completely that each Muslim should learn word for word the meaning of every surah one knows. I have made it my practice to learn the meaning of every surah I know before learning another. This has helped me understand and get a general idea of various surahs I hear since I&#039;m familiar with the words/terms.  
My issue with using English vs Arabic when saying for example, Bis mi lah, is that we become lazy and lose that special connection that in my opinion only Arabic provides. If we don&#039;t teach non-Muslims the meaning of these terms then we are not doing our duties. I heard a news reporter years ago say, during her broadcast, inshaAllah. I was amazed. It was shortly after 911 and many people were learning more about Muslims. Allah said He made the Quran easy to learn and remember. We have to be wise and use those moments when speaking with others to teach these terms and phrases. How many Americans are now familiar with the words hijab, halal, shariah?  
I have experience with a community who has followed this practice of using English vs Arabic and this community has really not grown much since I was among them as a child. And I believe it was due to this same thinking. Once some of them started learning and studying Arabic, you can see the change! So no, I disagree that we should replace these blessed words with English. We need to instead teach these words and meanings so that they become an adopted part of the American culture. Muslims on the east coast have been doing this for years and you will find many non Muslims among them, using Arabic terms. And they are among some of our society&#039;s most oppressed and undereducated. If someone is to proud to learn a new language I doubt they are willing to adopt another faith. Allahualim, Allah knows best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely that each Muslim should learn word for word the meaning of every surah one knows. I have made it my practice to learn the meaning of every surah I know before learning another. This has helped me understand and get a general idea of various surahs I hear since I&#8217;m familiar with the words/terms.<br />
My issue with using English vs Arabic when saying for example, Bis mi lah, is that we become lazy and lose that special connection that in my opinion only Arabic provides. If we don&#8217;t teach non-Muslims the meaning of these terms then we are not doing our duties. I heard a news reporter years ago say, during her broadcast, inshaAllah. I was amazed. It was shortly after 911 and many people were learning more about Muslims. Allah said He made the Quran easy to learn and remember. We have to be wise and use those moments when speaking with others to teach these terms and phrases. How many Americans are now familiar with the words hijab, halal, shariah?<br />
I have experience with a community who has followed this practice of using English vs Arabic and this community has really not grown much since I was among them as a child. And I believe it was due to this same thinking. Once some of them started learning and studying Arabic, you can see the change! So no, I disagree that we should replace these blessed words with English. We need to instead teach these words and meanings so that they become an adopted part of the American culture. Muslims on the east coast have been doing this for years and you will find many non Muslims among them, using Arabic terms. And they are among some of our society&#8217;s most oppressed and undereducated. If someone is to proud to learn a new language I doubt they are willing to adopt another faith. Allahualim, Allah knows best.</p>
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		By: Tyyuo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Salaams.

Although I think your suggestions are good, I don&#039;t get how someone would pray using both the English and Arabic together? :S that&#039;s not allowed, is it :/

Also I don&#039;t think a child of 7-10 would really fully understand even the English translation of what they read in the salah, and the reading the translation of the whole Quran would be even harder to understand, I think. :/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaams.</p>
<p>Although I think your suggestions are good, I don&#8217;t get how someone would pray using both the English and Arabic together? :S that&#8217;s not allowed, is it :/</p>
<p>Also I don&#8217;t think a child of 7-10 would really fully understand even the English translation of what they read in the salah, and the reading the translation of the whole Quran would be even harder to understand, I think. :/</p>
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		By: Jaime		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaime]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this article. I&#039;ve been learning little by little and I like your approach on learning. Thanks again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article. I&#8217;ve been learning little by little and I like your approach on learning. Thanks again.</p>
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		By: John Ederer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Ederer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/spiritual-relevance-between-the-original-text-and-native-expression/#comment-36515&quot;&gt;Fezz&lt;/a&gt;.

Peace dear brother Fezz,

It seems as though you have missed the point as many other cultural Muslims have. When someone challenges a cultural norm human nature tends to become defensive. Knowledge seeking humble Muslims on the other hand should have a different attitude to something which goes against peoples customs. First we look to see if the new proposed idea is in accordance with our religion. If it is- and I think throughout this series we established that- then you should not attack it or be facetiously critical of it. Rather if you are comfortable with your ways then don&#039;t take it but respect it for its merit which is based in Islam. Namely the 4th verse of sura Ibrahim.

I am NOT calling for wholesale Anglicization of Islam. I am calling for Muslims to not promote themselves as culturally Arab, but rather be what we are a people of the most universal faith that happened to be finally revealed in Arabic thus some Arabic terms will remain if there is no easy native expression. I am asking French, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian and all other Muslims to do the same according to their language bro!

I am calling for a balance to what is currently an extreme rooted in my opinion in a response to the culture clash of post-colonialization and modern globalization. I am convinced and sincere to our Creator and Guide that my suggestion will do much better in disseminating Islam in the non-Muslim world than the current separatist attitude. 

Eid is known as the Muslim holiday and that is something that we should be clear at. Quran is easier to identify what we are talking about rather than &quot;The reading or The recital&quot;. So these words like others need to be brought into English.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/community/spiritual-relevance-between-the-original-text-and-native-expression/#comment-36515">Fezz</a>.</p>
<p>Peace dear brother Fezz,</p>
<p>It seems as though you have missed the point as many other cultural Muslims have. When someone challenges a cultural norm human nature tends to become defensive. Knowledge seeking humble Muslims on the other hand should have a different attitude to something which goes against peoples customs. First we look to see if the new proposed idea is in accordance with our religion. If it is- and I think throughout this series we established that- then you should not attack it or be facetiously critical of it. Rather if you are comfortable with your ways then don&#8217;t take it but respect it for its merit which is based in Islam. Namely the 4th verse of sura Ibrahim.</p>
<p>I am NOT calling for wholesale Anglicization of Islam. I am calling for Muslims to not promote themselves as culturally Arab, but rather be what we are a people of the most universal faith that happened to be finally revealed in Arabic thus some Arabic terms will remain if there is no easy native expression. I am asking French, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian and all other Muslims to do the same according to their language bro!</p>
<p>I am calling for a balance to what is currently an extreme rooted in my opinion in a response to the culture clash of post-colonialization and modern globalization. I am convinced and sincere to our Creator and Guide that my suggestion will do much better in disseminating Islam in the non-Muslim world than the current separatist attitude. </p>
<p>Eid is known as the Muslim holiday and that is something that we should be clear at. Quran is easier to identify what we are talking about rather than &#8220;The reading or The recital&#8221;. So these words like others need to be brought into English.</p>
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		By: Fezz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fezz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Balancing Anglicisation:

There&#039;s obviously a sliding scale around this; in some circles (eg. educational seminars) there is no reason why more terminology cannot be used compared to a general talk at a multifaith group. I dont think a rigid wholesale attempt at latinising is helpful.

Some of the arabic terms have much greater depth of meaning and even within the Arabic language these terms are only used by Muslims Arabs and within a muslim context. (For example; &quot;Eid&quot;. Shall we ditch this for &quot;the Festival&quot;?)

You also said When a non-Arab is learning to pray they should first master it in English (even the Fatiha). Why still call it the Fatiha? Why not latinicise futher? Do we need to call it &quot;the Quran&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balancing Anglicisation:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s obviously a sliding scale around this; in some circles (eg. educational seminars) there is no reason why more terminology cannot be used compared to a general talk at a multifaith group. I dont think a rigid wholesale attempt at latinising is helpful.</p>
<p>Some of the arabic terms have much greater depth of meaning and even within the Arabic language these terms are only used by Muslims Arabs and within a muslim context. (For example; &#8220;Eid&#8221;. Shall we ditch this for &#8220;the Festival&#8221;?)</p>
<p>You also said When a non-Arab is learning to pray they should first master it in English (even the Fatiha). Why still call it the Fatiha? Why not latinicise futher? Do we need to call it &#8220;the Quran&#8221;?</p>
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		By: John Ederer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Ederer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AA,

This definition is an error that we must fix. This was clearly suggested by the enemies of Islam and while you will find something like it in a book of Islamic Law, you will never find it the particular phrase holy war (حرب مقدسة) in either a dictionary or book of Islamic jurisprudence. It is our resposibility to correct this error.

That being said, in websters as well as a couple others they do mention the much more common and prevelant meaning of struggling against inner demons and evil influence.

That should be the first definition while the second should be - a war waged by a Muslim nation in order to combat invasion or injustice. It is only to be waged against military personnell strictly forbidding the killing of non-combatants including those under a treaty with that Muslim nation. 

And God knows best]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AA,</p>
<p>This definition is an error that we must fix. This was clearly suggested by the enemies of Islam and while you will find something like it in a book of Islamic Law, you will never find it the particular phrase holy war (حرب مقدسة) in either a dictionary or book of Islamic jurisprudence. It is our resposibility to correct this error.</p>
<p>That being said, in websters as well as a couple others they do mention the much more common and prevelant meaning of struggling against inner demons and evil influence.</p>
<p>That should be the first definition while the second should be &#8211; a war waged by a Muslim nation in order to combat invasion or injustice. It is only to be waged against military personnell strictly forbidding the killing of non-combatants including those under a treaty with that Muslim nation. </p>
<p>And God knows best</p>
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		By: Sana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great advice!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice!</p>
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		By: Patruus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patruus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of the words which you say need to be inculcated into the English language are already long established in the lexicon, most notably &quot;jihad&quot; which the Oxford English Dictionary defines as &quot;a religious war of Muslims against unbelievers, inculcated as a duty by the Qur&#039;an and traditions&quot;. Is that really what it means?

There is also a problem with &quot;salah/salat&quot;, I mean, just how do you pronounce it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the words which you say need to be inculcated into the English language are already long established in the lexicon, most notably &#8220;jihad&#8221; which the Oxford English Dictionary defines as &#8220;a religious war of Muslims against unbelievers, inculcated as a duty by the Qur&#8217;an and traditions&#8221;. Is that really what it means?</p>
<p>There is also a problem with &#8220;salah/salat&#8221;, I mean, just how do you pronounce it?</p>
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