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		By: Hadith of the Day &#8211; 10 Guidelines for Gender Relations in Islam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hadith of the Day &#8211; 10 Guidelines for Gender Relations in Islam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and skinny jeans, exposing a brother’s form. For women, even in the most lenient opinions, the minimum that should be covered is everything but the face, hands, and feet, in loose, non-form fitti&#8230; Traditionally some scholars allowed kuhl and powder as allowable make-up, and some allowed the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and skinny jeans, exposing a brother’s form. For women, even in the most lenient opinions, the minimum that should be covered is everything but the face, hands, and feet, in loose, non-form fitti&#8230; Traditionally some scholars allowed kuhl and powder as allowable make-up, and some allowed the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdullah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wa&#039;alaikumassalaamwarahmatullah
I pray that Allah subhaanahu Taa ala keeps us all on the guidance inshaAllah. I would like to say that any discussion these days cannot live in isolation from society and hijab is one of those discussions, taking France and Turkey as examples where it has been banned in certain places by legislation. So it is crucial to understand this societal dynamic, how it came to be, and since it contradicts Islam and the history of Islam then what does Islam say about it.i have provided a solution I hope the audience will give some serious consideration since it was the solution for over 1300 years and over most of the known world and in fact the spread of Islam through the khilafah was how it reached most of us. There is no khilafah today to emigrate to but we do know that RasoolAllah ( saw ) worked hard, can endured many hardships in the work to establish the first house of Islam from which it spread very quickly, that was the state of Medina. He is our example and I believe that if we follow his example in the societal and political aspects then we can&#039;t go wrong, success is inevitable since the success comes from Allah and He ordered us to follow his messenger. 
I pray you are in good health and I look to your kind reply inshaAllah. Your brother Abdullah]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wa&#8217;alaikumassalaamwarahmatullah<br />
I pray that Allah subhaanahu Taa ala keeps us all on the guidance inshaAllah. I would like to say that any discussion these days cannot live in isolation from society and hijab is one of those discussions, taking France and Turkey as examples where it has been banned in certain places by legislation. So it is crucial to understand this societal dynamic, how it came to be, and since it contradicts Islam and the history of Islam then what does Islam say about it.i have provided a solution I hope the audience will give some serious consideration since it was the solution for over 1300 years and over most of the known world and in fact the spread of Islam through the khilafah was how it reached most of us. There is no khilafah today to emigrate to but we do know that RasoolAllah ( saw ) worked hard, can endured many hardships in the work to establish the first house of Islam from which it spread very quickly, that was the state of Medina. He is our example and I believe that if we follow his example in the societal and political aspects then we can&#8217;t go wrong, success is inevitable since the success comes from Allah and He ordered us to follow his messenger.<br />
I pray you are in good health and I look to your kind reply inshaAllah. Your brother Abdullah</p>
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		By: Paul Bartlett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bartlett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37875&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

Peace be with you (salaam alaikum), Brother Abdullah. You write (quoting briefly), &quot;[T]his means that the behaviour of the people is largely dependant on the environmental conditions the economy, the government etc.&quot; Yes, I agree with you. Sometimes conditions may vary, and the fact is that there are very, very many Muslims today who do NOT live in any, even nominally, predominantly Muslim societies. Allah swt has allowed them to migrate or, in many cases especially, my personal concern, guided them to Islam when they were not before Muslims.

Nevertheless, they simply do not live under a khilafah, however much many Muslims may long for it, and these Muslims have to do as best they can in a non-Muslim environment. It is totally unrealistic to suppose that they might move to an even nominally Muslim country. (And let us be honest and admit that many so-called nominally majority Muslim countries may have serious issues.) This is the reality of the situation of ever so many convert Muslims. Preaching &quot;khilafah&quot; is, to be blunt, irrelevant to them in their day to day lives in the here and now.

Allah swt alone knows whether we will ever, this side of the Hour, have a true Islamic khilafah again. Still, we, especially western convert Muslims, have to struggle along as best we can, and many traditional Muslims will just have to recognize that we live in conditions that the Sahaba (may Allah be please with them) might not even been able to imagine in their dreams. This is the reality of our lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37875">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>Peace be with you (salaam alaikum), Brother Abdullah. You write (quoting briefly), &#8220;[T]his means that the behaviour of the people is largely dependant on the environmental conditions the economy, the government etc.&#8221; Yes, I agree with you. Sometimes conditions may vary, and the fact is that there are very, very many Muslims today who do NOT live in any, even nominally, predominantly Muslim societies. Allah swt has allowed them to migrate or, in many cases especially, my personal concern, guided them to Islam when they were not before Muslims.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, they simply do not live under a khilafah, however much many Muslims may long for it, and these Muslims have to do as best they can in a non-Muslim environment. It is totally unrealistic to suppose that they might move to an even nominally Muslim country. (And let us be honest and admit that many so-called nominally majority Muslim countries may have serious issues.) This is the reality of the situation of ever so many convert Muslims. Preaching &#8220;khilafah&#8221; is, to be blunt, irrelevant to them in their day to day lives in the here and now.</p>
<p>Allah swt alone knows whether we will ever, this side of the Hour, have a true Islamic khilafah again. Still, we, especially western convert Muslims, have to struggle along as best we can, and many traditional Muslims will just have to recognize that we live in conditions that the Sahaba (may Allah be please with them) might not even been able to imagine in their dreams. This is the reality of our lives.</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdullah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok
the library is an example only, which I took from my younger days. 
As for the muslim world you wouldn&#039;t hate it if you lived in it,  rather you would be desperate to reform it completely. 
As for the islamic values, they are present and in tact, but when you put the muslim populations in a pot and turn on the gas then you will see many events that contradict Islam. The evidence for my view is that Omar bin al Khattab revoked the punishment for stealing while Medina was suffering from a famine.this means that the behaviour of the people is largely dependant on the environmental conditions the economy, the government etc. And considering the colonialism that followed the breakup of the khilafah in 1924, and the continued control over the resources via the governments placed over us, all the conditions have been punitive. 
But the Islam nature of the people is the same like it was with the people of Medina when there was a famine. 
The answer is to reestablish the Islamic Khilafah,  not to blame the muslim populations or to blame &quot;men&quot;. The problems in the Muslim world went beyond gender a long time ago, pouting gender as a problem is simply a diversion from the real issue and a diversion from the real enemy that is consuming our resources while we suffer. And actually there is a very appropriate hadith explaining this reality, how the Colonialists are eating from the Muslims....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok<br />
the library is an example only, which I took from my younger days.<br />
As for the muslim world you wouldn&#8217;t hate it if you lived in it,  rather you would be desperate to reform it completely.<br />
As for the islamic values, they are present and in tact, but when you put the muslim populations in a pot and turn on the gas then you will see many events that contradict Islam. The evidence for my view is that Omar bin al Khattab revoked the punishment for stealing while Medina was suffering from a famine.this means that the behaviour of the people is largely dependant on the environmental conditions the economy, the government etc. And considering the colonialism that followed the breakup of the khilafah in 1924, and the continued control over the resources via the governments placed over us, all the conditions have been punitive.<br />
But the Islam nature of the people is the same like it was with the people of Medina when there was a famine.<br />
The answer is to reestablish the Islamic Khilafah,  not to blame the muslim populations or to blame &#8220;men&#8221;. The problems in the Muslim world went beyond gender a long time ago, pouting gender as a problem is simply a diversion from the real issue and a diversion from the real enemy that is consuming our resources while we suffer. And actually there is a very appropriate hadith explaining this reality, how the Colonialists are eating from the Muslims&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Sithy Hussain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sithy Hussain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder whether Mr.Abdulla realizes that gender segregation is from Jewish Rabbianic law
See:
http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/judaism/docs/essays/gender-segregation.pdf

Israel like Saudi Arabia practices gender segregation in public places etcetera 
As I said earlier, the rabbis have a large say in how the Jewish people view their Deen - as has been warned by Allah in the Quran. And we as Muslim seems to be following suit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether Mr.Abdulla realizes that gender segregation is from Jewish Rabbianic law<br />
See:<br />
<a href="http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/judaism/docs/essays/gender-segregation.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/judaism/docs/essays/gender-segregation.pdf</a></p>
<p>Israel like Saudi Arabia practices gender segregation in public places etcetera<br />
As I said earlier, the rabbis have a large say in how the Jewish people view their Deen &#8211; as has been warned by Allah in the Quran. And we as Muslim seems to be following suit.</p>
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		By: Ahmed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ahmed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37868&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know what Islamic values do you consider to be intact in the Islamic world. For me there is no justice, there is no accountability of the ruler by the ruled, no sense of humanity, no human rights, no consideration of the rights of others, no equitable sharing of wealth with the less fortunate, no respect for the environment,  no equitable treatment of women, but there certainly is killing of the innocents in the name of Islam, divisiveness, hatred, bigotry, prejudice and intolerance. I presume you consider Islamic values to be covering women up fully, men growing beards and spending all their time in senseless religious discussions, waging war against each other and imposing their own view of Islam on others by force. No thank you that is not my Islam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37868">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Islamic values do you consider to be intact in the Islamic world. For me there is no justice, there is no accountability of the ruler by the ruled, no sense of humanity, no human rights, no consideration of the rights of others, no equitable sharing of wealth with the less fortunate, no respect for the environment,  no equitable treatment of women, but there certainly is killing of the innocents in the name of Islam, divisiveness, hatred, bigotry, prejudice and intolerance. I presume you consider Islamic values to be covering women up fully, men growing beards and spending all their time in senseless religious discussions, waging war against each other and imposing their own view of Islam on others by force. No thank you that is not my Islam.</p>
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		By: Ahmed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ahmed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37870&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

If some muslims consider libraries to be &quot;places of ill repute&quot; then it is no wonder that the Islamic world is going through the second jahiliyah!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37870">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>If some muslims consider libraries to be &#8220;places of ill repute&#8221; then it is no wonder that the Islamic world is going through the second jahiliyah!</p>
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		By: Paul Bartlett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bartlett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37870&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

Certainly Allah swt knows best, but I myself would not call a library, at least a public library, a &quot;place of ill repute.&quot; I live in a large county with a large public library system. Am I supposed to not go there even if I want to check out a book by an Islamic scholar -- and that library has some -- just because there may be some woman in hijab there, elsewhere in the building, attending to her own business? I would say that not every public place is unsuitable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/women/hijab-niqab/hijab-fard-obligation-or-fiction/#comment-37870">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>Certainly Allah swt knows best, but I myself would not call a library, at least a public library, a &#8220;place of ill repute.&#8221; I live in a large county with a large public library system. Am I supposed to not go there even if I want to check out a book by an Islamic scholar &#8212; and that library has some &#8212; just because there may be some woman in hijab there, elsewhere in the building, attending to her own business? I would say that not every public place is unsuitable.</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdullah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reason why RasoolAllah ( saw ) said to Asma ( RA ) to dress properly was because she was not dressed properly.
Also, while it is true that men may have a certain view of hadith it is equally true that women will have a view of how men should behave. So the women and men complement each other in giving each other advice, and that is properly done in the institution of marriage. 
So the women will remind the men that in Islam the men are obliged to provide and that whatever women gain in wealth is not for the man to share in. 
And that men must lower their gaze in the presence of other women. And that men must not attend places of ill repute such as for example a library which maybe known to be a place where boy friends and girl friends meet each other, which Islam forbids due to the rule of bringing doubt upon your character. 
And it is only natural that both men and women will seek equality in Allah&#039;s eyes and the sahabah and their wives had similar discussion. 
This does not mean at all that male ulema are biased towards men. Or that female ulema would be biased towards women. Rather the bias must be always to be closer to the truth which Allah intended by His order in the quran or through the sunnah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why RasoolAllah ( saw ) said to Asma ( RA ) to dress properly was because she was not dressed properly.<br />
Also, while it is true that men may have a certain view of hadith it is equally true that women will have a view of how men should behave. So the women and men complement each other in giving each other advice, and that is properly done in the institution of marriage.<br />
So the women will remind the men that in Islam the men are obliged to provide and that whatever women gain in wealth is not for the man to share in.<br />
And that men must lower their gaze in the presence of other women. And that men must not attend places of ill repute such as for example a library which maybe known to be a place where boy friends and girl friends meet each other, which Islam forbids due to the rule of bringing doubt upon your character.<br />
And it is only natural that both men and women will seek equality in Allah&#8217;s eyes and the sahabah and their wives had similar discussion.<br />
This does not mean at all that male ulema are biased towards men. Or that female ulema would be biased towards women. Rather the bias must be always to be closer to the truth which Allah intended by His order in the quran or through the sunnah.</p>
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		By: Sithy Hussain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sithy Hussain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2014 03:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since there was a quote about Asma bint Abu Bakr, I thought I would share a Hadith about her. This Hadith is touted by Ullemas (male of course) to highlight how obedient, hard-working  and considerate a muslimah should be to her husband. Personally though the nuances that I found interesting were:- 1) she was obviously &#039;uncovered&#039; enough to be recognized by the Rasool(sal) &#038; to carry the date stones &#038; do all that physical labour, 2) she was alone and 3)she was offered a ride on the same camel as the Rasool(sal) - rather like a woman riding pillion on a motorbike with her b-i-l! 
When I asked an Ullema  about these issues - I was told that a)the Rasool(sal) was above other men so different principles applied to him (but obviously Asma didn&#039;t think so - hence she thought her husband would be jealous) &#038; b) that bodies do not touch when two people ride on the same camel. I leave it for you to figure it out.... Here&#039;s the Hadith:
&quot;(41) Narrated asma&#039; bint Abu Bakr: When Az-Zubair married me, he had no real property or any slave or anything else except a camel which drew water from the well, and his horse. I used to feed his horse with fodder and drew water and sew the bucket for drawing it, and prepare the dough, but I did not know how to bake bread. So our Ansari neighbors used to bake bread for me, and they were honorable ladies. I used to carry the date stones on my head from Zubair&#039;s land given to him by Allah&#039;s Apostle and this land was two third Farsakh (about two miles) from my house. One day, while I was coming with the date stones on my head, I met Allah&#039;s Apostle along with some Ansari people. He called me and then, (directing his camel to kneel down) said, &quot;Ikh! Ikh!&quot; so as to make me ride behind him (on his camel). I felt shy to travel with the men and remembered Az-Zubair and his sense of Ghira, as he was one of those people who had the greatest sense of Ghira. Allah&#039;s Apostle noticed that I felt shy, so he proceeded. I came to Az-Zubair and said, &quot;I met Allah&#039;s Apostle while I was carrying a load of date stones on my head, and he had some companions with him. He made his camel kneel down so that I might ride, but I felt shy in his presence and remembered your sense of Ghira (See the glossary). On that Az-Zubair said, &quot;By Allah, your carrying the date stones (and you being seen by the Prophet in such a state) is more shameful to me than your riding with him.&quot; (I continued serving in this way) till Abu Bakr sent me a servant to look after the horse, whereupon I felt as if he had set me free.  (Book #62, Hadith #151)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there was a quote about Asma bint Abu Bakr, I thought I would share a Hadith about her. This Hadith is touted by Ullemas (male of course) to highlight how obedient, hard-working  and considerate a muslimah should be to her husband. Personally though the nuances that I found interesting were:- 1) she was obviously &#8216;uncovered&#8217; enough to be recognized by the Rasool(sal) &amp; to carry the date stones &amp; do all that physical labour, 2) she was alone and 3)she was offered a ride on the same camel as the Rasool(sal) &#8211; rather like a woman riding pillion on a motorbike with her b-i-l!<br />
When I asked an Ullema  about these issues &#8211; I was told that a)the Rasool(sal) was above other men so different principles applied to him (but obviously Asma didn&#8217;t think so &#8211; hence she thought her husband would be jealous) &amp; b) that bodies do not touch when two people ride on the same camel. I leave it for you to figure it out&#8230;. Here&#8217;s the Hadith:<br />
&#8220;(41) Narrated asma&#8217; bint Abu Bakr: When Az-Zubair married me, he had no real property or any slave or anything else except a camel which drew water from the well, and his horse. I used to feed his horse with fodder and drew water and sew the bucket for drawing it, and prepare the dough, but I did not know how to bake bread. So our Ansari neighbors used to bake bread for me, and they were honorable ladies. I used to carry the date stones on my head from Zubair&#8217;s land given to him by Allah&#8217;s Apostle and this land was two third Farsakh (about two miles) from my house. One day, while I was coming with the date stones on my head, I met Allah&#8217;s Apostle along with some Ansari people. He called me and then, (directing his camel to kneel down) said, &#8220;Ikh! Ikh!&#8221; so as to make me ride behind him (on his camel). I felt shy to travel with the men and remembered Az-Zubair and his sense of Ghira, as he was one of those people who had the greatest sense of Ghira. Allah&#8217;s Apostle noticed that I felt shy, so he proceeded. I came to Az-Zubair and said, &#8220;I met Allah&#8217;s Apostle while I was carrying a load of date stones on my head, and he had some companions with him. He made his camel kneel down so that I might ride, but I felt shy in his presence and remembered your sense of Ghira (See the glossary). On that Az-Zubair said, &#8220;By Allah, your carrying the date stones (and you being seen by the Prophet in such a state) is more shameful to me than your riding with him.&#8221; (I continued serving in this way) till Abu Bakr sent me a servant to look after the horse, whereupon I felt as if he had set me free.  (Book #62, Hadith #151)</p>
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