Dear Bro Abd Rahman

Your words are lenghty but sadly to say, you have missed the most important thing in your so called deduction/conclusion. The masdar of this Deen is not the Quran only. The main masdar of this Deen is the Quran and The Ahadith. They complement each other, and explained each other. Thus if you want to understand the Deen, read and learn both.

Don’t just use your own brain to deduce the rulings in the Deen, diminishing the efforts of all our salafus soleh and all our beloved scholars of fiqh, past and present. Learn the usul fiqh and then you can make your own fatwa.

Unless you are the one who deny the second masdar of the deen that is the hadith (as can be seen in your own words “In reality “Hijab” is an old pre-Jewish tradition that infiltrated into the hadith books like many innovations that contaminated Islam through alleged Hadith and Sunna” , then I ‘ve got nothing to say, coz u among those who rejected the Sunnah nauzubillah min zalik.

And if you among them, then may I ask you how do you pray? What do you recite during the solat? What do you do recite in other postures of the solat? The hai’ah in your solah? All of these things are not explained in the Quran. Good luck then.

Regards
ابو حنظلة محمد زهري

Laicite came about as a response to the perceived oppression practiced by the hereditary nobility and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church in France in the 18th Century. I say “perceived” only because the people on the other side of the argument did not see themselves as oppressors. This might seem to us like willful blindness, but we are looking back from a distance of almost 300 years.

The extent to which the Catholic Church and the ruling class in France were entwined cannot be exaggerated. The French monarchy was, and in some circles still is, highly mythologized. If the Revolutionaries were going to succeed in toppling the monarchy, the Church and its belief system had to go as well.

So there were events like the atrocity at St. Denis, where many graves were demolished and bones scattered, as well as the utter destruction of irreplaceable works of art. This was a tragedy on more than one level.

So laicite has much to do with the attempt to rid France of the Catholic Church as a means to shifting the belief system of an entire nation. It is more similar to the Cultural Revolution in China in some ways than to the American Revolution, to which the French Revolution is more often compared. But there were many significant differences.

It has never been against the law in the US for a person to wear clerical clothing, or for a nun to wear her habit in public, whereas in France there was a brief time when it was the equivalent of suicide for a priest to go outdoors dressed like a priest.

And even today, in the French public schools (state run), students are not allowed to wear things that demonstrate Christian belief or Jewish belief, so it is not only the niqab that is banned, it is any article of clothing or jewelry that asserts a particular religious belief.

Yes, agree.
And we Muslims should also respect others, whether they wear Hijab or not. Some may follow words of Allah in His Quran and dismiss hearsays like hadiths.

In the Quran, Hijab is NOT an obligation.

God NEVER short of words to give clear instruction.

Three Basic Rules

FIRST RULE : THE BEST GARMENT

[7:26] “O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD’s signs, that they may take heed.”

This is the BASIC rule of DRESS CODE in the Quran. This is the first rule in WOMEN DRESS CODE in Islam (Submission). What is inside your heart is more important for God that the dress you wear.

SECOND RULE : COVER YOUR BOSOMS

The second rule can be found in 24:31. Here God orders the women to cover their bosoms whenever they dress up. First, let us review some crucial words that are always mentioned with this topic, namely “Hijab” and “Khimar”

THE WORD “HIJAB” in the QURAN

“Hijab” is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word “Hijab” can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word “Hijab” include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.

Can we find the word “Hijab” in the Quran??

The word “Hijab” appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as “Hijab” and two times as “Hijaban,” these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17.

None of these “Hijab” words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman.

Hijab as it appears in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code.

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND:

While many Muslims call “Hijab”, an Islamic dress code, they completely ignore the fact that, Hijab as a dress code has nothing to do with Islam and nothing to do with QURAN.

In reality “Hijab” is an old pre-Jewish tradition that infiltrated into the hadith books like many innovations that contaminated Islam through alleged Hadith and Sunna.

The traditional Arabs, of all religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to wear “Hijab,” not because of Islam, but because of tradition. In certain areas of the world, men are the ones who wear the hijab while in others the women do.

THE WORD “KHIMAR” in the QURAN:

“Khimar” is an Arabic word that can be found in the Quran in 24:31 It is the word that the interpreters or translators use to claim that head cover is in the Quran. “Khimar” means, cover, any cover, a curtain is a Khimar, a dress is a Khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a Khimar, a blanket is a Khimar..etc. Most of the translators, obviously influenced by Hadith (fabrications) translate the word as VEIL or head cover, and thus mislead most people to believe that this verse is advocating the covering of the head.

In 24:31 God is asking the women to use their cover (khimar)( being a dress, a coat, a shawl, a shirt, a blouse, a tie, a scarf . . . etc.) to cover their bosoms, not their heads or their hairs. If God so willed to order the women to cover their heads or their hair, nothing would have prevented Him from doing so. GOD does not run out of words. GOD does not forget. Those who see the head cover in this verse lost their focus of the verse. The verse is ordering the women to be sure to cover their upper chest. The verse does NOT order the women to cover their heads or hair. Even if you accept their interpretation of the word Khimar to mean head cover, the verse is not ordering the women to cover their head but to cover the opening of the chest in their dress. If God wills, He would have given the order clear, cover your heads, but He did NOT. God does not wait for a Scholar to put the correct words for Him!

THIRD RULE : LENGTHEN YOUR GARMENTS

The first regulation of DRESS CODE for Muslim women is in 7:26, the second is in 24:31 and the third is in

33:59

“O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall LENGTHEN their garments. Thus, they will be recognized and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.” 33:59

In 33:59, God sets the other regulation for the dress code for the Muslim women during the prophet’s life.

Although the verse is talking to the prophet which means this regulation applies to the time of the prophet, just like the order in 49:2, the description fits the spirit of Islam (Submission in English), and can teach us a great deal.

In this verse, God, DELIBERATELY, said, tell them, to lengthen their garments, and never said how long is long. God could have said tell them to lengthen their garments to their ankles or to their mid-calf or to their knees, but HE DID NOT. He did not, OUT OF HIS MERCY, not because HE FORGOT as God does not forget. God knows that we will be living in different communities and have different cultures and insists that the minor details of this dress code will be left for the people of every community to hammer for themselves.

It is clear from the above verses that the DRESS CODE for the Muslim women (Submitters) according to the Quran is righteousness and modesty. God knows that this modesty will be understood differently in different communities and that is why He left it open to us to decide for ourselves.

CONCLUSION:

God, the Most Merciful, gave us three basic rules for the Dress Code for Women in Islam (Submission),

(1) The BEST garment is the garment of righteousness.

(2) Whenever you dress , cover your chest (bosoms).

(3) Lengthen your garment.

While these three BASIC rules may not sound enough for those who do not trust God, the TRUE believers know that God is ENOUGH. God could have given us more details to the point of having graphs, designs and color rules, but He , the Most Merciful, wants to give us exactly these very basic rules and leave the rest for us. After these three basic rules every woman is more aware of her circumstances and can adjust her dress for her situation. Any addition to these basic Quranic rules is an attempt to correct God or improve on His merciful design.

We have no obligation to follow but God’s rules, just as His messenger did all the time. Innovations and fabrications that added thousands of rules to the women dress code are nothing but idol-worship and should be refused.

Brother Uthmam, search you-tube for an interview with Dr Tariq Ramadan and Br Sabir Ally. Br Sabir has a program called, ” Let the Quran speak”, and he had Dr Tariq Ramadan on there and he was asking him about that those particular issues, worth watching. I am not to tech savvy, so I don’t really know how to post links and stuff, lol, but try looking and that interview might answer some off those QUESTIONS.

Hopes this helps. Salaams.

France’s ban of the niqab/burqah in public institutions did not necessarily come as a surprise to many because it had been talked about for a while. BUT when the first woman was fined, personally, I was shocked; I thought this day would never come.

About me; no, I do not wear the niqab, Yes, I am a Muslim woman BUT no, I don’t think this is an issue that only concerns Muslim women.

A national law for 2,000 women! Seriously? It baffles me that a government will go through the pain of imposing a national law to ostracize 0.0032% of the French population. Are they that much of a threat to the rest of the country?

A hoodie and sunglasses covers the face and may just as well obstruct the view of a person who wears them so the argument in that regard, is null and void. The rights of the women to wear the burqa are in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a document that has the signature of France on it.

Seriously though, why does a government think it is okay to interfere in a woman’s closet, and fine them for what is in it? Islam aside, it is quite rude, very rude and again, highly hypocritical. If we must not force women to wear the burqa then we must not force those who wear it to take it off.

Whether we realize it or not, the burqa ban is a subtle message to all women that indeed men can decide what we should and should not wear. Ironically, it is hypocritical at best. Although the rights of only a few women have been taken away, in the future, another right will be taken away from another group of women; except we stand together against this law.

If we know anything about history, we know that the words of Martin Niemoller are true; we must defend the rights and integrity of everyone at all times.

First they came for the Muslim women in Niqab/Burqa,
And I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Muslim woman in Niqab/Burqa
…………………………………………………………………………………..
…………………………………………………………………………………………………….
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Then they came for me
And there was no woman left to speak out for me

You fill in the blanks!

Do I understand that this point isn’t intrinsically a part of the Shari’ah, but is rather part of the domain in which the Shari’ah is silent and leaves it up to mankind to legislate?

Also, is there not an opinion amongst the scholars that Non-Muslims are also obliged to follow the subsidiary rulings of Islam, as indicated by some of the verses in Surah Muddathir?

I was under the impression that the ‘awrah of a woman encompasses her whole body, excluding the hands and face (according to the majority)? Is this not the case? I guess not since you said that Non-Muslim women don’t have to wear hijab, but still have to cover their ‘awrah. What ‘awrah are you referring to here?

I understand that it is obligatory in Islam for Muslim women to cover themselves. My question is, would this be legally enforced by the state? Or would the state leave it up to the individual (who would still be incurring sin, of course, if they didn’t cover)?

JazakAllah Khayr once again.

The khitab (address) in the qur’an to cover is for the believing women and not Non Muslim women. Therefore, it is obligatory for Muslim women to cover themselves. Non Muslim women do not need to wear the hijab or anything like that but, off course; all women must cover their ‘awrah in public. We find in the society of the Prophet not all women were covering with the complete hijiab like the slave women, the elderly etc.

The ruler or the society may oblige non Muslim women not to wear certain types of clothing as suggested by some comments if they feel that this contravenes public decency etc.

Allah Knows Best